Question on airwar in Vietnam

[spitfiremkv]

Originally posted by Boroda


If you have evidence or documents about Soviet pilots fighting in Vietnam - please share them. All I have read about Soviet pilots there is just rumours or some mentally sick people telling fairy-tales, like flying Tu-128 interceptors from DRV against American planes in 1965.

boroda, reading your posts makes me understand how the soviet and nazi regimes remained in power.

do you truly believe that the soviets, wanting to have their  mig21 frontline fighters tested in combat against the American planes, would rely only on reports from the North Vietnamese pilots?
that they wouldn't want to test their own pilots against the americans?


hey, would you like to buy some land on Jupiter?

[Boroda]

If they were there and scored some kills - I'll be proud of them. I just don't have any evidence. All I have read so far were fiction or some sick fantasies.

Этот Хуйну меня и сбил. It's a quote from a Russian joke about Soviet pilots in Vietnam.

[spitfiremkv]

Originally posted by Boroda
I All I have read so far were fiction or some sick fantasies.

 

that's a good description for every offical report published in the USSR.
but I'm sure you believe those.

[Elfie]

So how about selling me some piece of ocean beach in Minnesota?

How about some lake front property? Say on Lake Superior? The great lakes are large enough to simulate an ocean

[straffo]

Originally posted by Elfie
How about some lake front property? Say on Lake Superior? The great lakes are large enough to simulate an ocean

how many tons of salt needed ?

[Elfie]

No salt needed or wanted. Would kill off all the fresh water fish. Then we would have PETA and other organizations screaming, crying and gnashing their teeth for decades. No thanks

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Boroda
Этот Хуйну меня и сбил

I hope that my sentence in Russian above is as confusing for you as your offer was to me.  

This Хуйну also has brought down me

OK. Try......That dog won`t hunt.

[Toad]

US Air-to-Air Losses in the Vietnam War

US Navy & US Marine Corps Aircraft Losses Vietnam War 1962-73

Also found this, can't verify it but the Red River Valley guys are very serious folks and if they published the list it's probably one of the best out there.

Here's losses of aircraft in combat over NORTH Vietnam:

USAF
F-105--282
F-4--192
F-100--16
F-102--1
F-104--4
F-111--6
RF=101--27
RF-4--37
B-52--17
C-130--2
EB-66--4
B-57--5
RC-47--1
A=1--18
T-28--1
O-1/2--5

USN
A-4--173
A-6--52
F-4--73
A-7--38
RF-4--1
F/RF-8--18
A-3--1
RA-5--21
A-1--43

This is NVN combat losses not totals in-theater. Source is Red River Valley Fighter Pilot's Ass'n 30th Anniversary Memorial Progam.


 Ed Rasimus                  
  Fighter Pilot (ret)  

[Boroda]

Thanks, Toad!

I didn't know that there were F-102s in Vietnam.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Raider179
How do you quote numbers from an unkown source? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. I can tell you right now If any 1 sam site/operator shot down anywhere near 196 planes it would have been destroyed and everything in the area would have gotten flattened in the process. You watched that show on discovery then you saw how deadly the wild weasels became at their job.

I can just picture these SAM operators firing off salvo's of SAM's then shutting of their radar when weasel's are coming in and then claiming kills so that they dont get shot for turning their radars off.

I don't have discovery. Anyway their historical programms are like comic books

Are you aquainted with SAM tactics?

My Uncle was severely wounded by one of the first Shrikes. They understood how to deal with them pretty soon.

Good, echeloned SAM defence is very hard to beat. Weasels were killed in ambushes just like other planes. Using one launcher as a bait against bait and then shredding weasels with Shilkas was just one of the tactics successfully used.

Also please don't forget that S-75 is... hmmm... I can call it "mobile". In Syria Soviet crews used only 3-4 trucks to hunt, manual tracking. Uncle said they worked mostly on manual tracking too.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by JB88
always nice when you have to add the disclaimer - * not for propaganda purposes.

lol.

 

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Heh I'm 100% sure that those classified records that were made in order to please the party leaders and ensure the survival of the reportee will show without questions that the whole US airforce was shot down 2 to 3 times during the campaign. Plus accidents of course.



Boroda must be quite naive to think anything the communist regime reported was actually accurate. The system was and still is without doubt the most corrupt chain of lies known to man.

Siaf,
are you a punk ?

[genozaur]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Boroda has posted some retarded stuff in the past, but I can't for the life of me see why this thread needed to be turned into a personal/national hate fest.

I totally agree that these BBS has began to look like a toilet hole for some wise guys who post here irrelevant hateful crap.

What's their point ? If somebody wants to start a respectful hate dialogue (not the hate monologue) I'll be glad to join and have some fun. But there's no need to stick their tongues into ANY conversation here.  

 

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Jackal1
That is simply false.
Boreroda has only laid claim to lighting the fire on the sun, not to the actual building thereof. Conform comrade before it is too late.  

Jack, the Soviets really started the fire on the Sun, but got burnt by the sun rays (see the USSR coat of arms). Another true fact is that the Soviet people built the Moon in order to capture American astronauts and put them into the Moony labour camps guarded by NKVD space corps.

On the other end we can see the USA claiming to have built the Egyptian pyramids and NOVO ORDO SECLORUM but loosing the Big Eye in the process (you just check a one dollar bill).