Author Topic: Dealing with Pottymouth... (Read 2324 times)

Flayed1 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 26, 2005, 02:23:48 AM »

I have 4 children ages 6-5-4 and 2 and several times when I have the big speakers on someone says the magic F-word or at the least a nice loud GD-it.
I really don't care. I worked as a pipe fitter for 3 years and if you don't hear those things on the construction site you have to be deaf. But I don't think my kids need to repeat those particular words yet.
If I am on squad channel and someone says one of those not so nice words all I have to say is I have kids in the room and for the rest of the night squad chanle will be free of profanity. As for range I really don't want to squelch range but I would like to be able to squelch those few that don't give a damn permanantly.
Like the saying go's If you can't say something nice I won't let you talk... Well I guess thats non exactally how it go's but that is what I would like.

Ghosth · « **Reply #46 on:** February 26, 2005, 08:26:00 AM »

The keys to dealing with this issue are deeper than squelch lists. This is a problem that will never be comeplete solved. We are always going to be dealing with it.

But this is where we start.

A Realising that there is a problem and no one person, group, or entitiy can fix it.
HT can't fix it, Knights can't fix it, Middleaged guys who play AH can't fix it. However, working together we do have a chance.

B Raising awareness as a community.
This is a problem, its not just my problem or your problem, its everyones problem.

C Putting pressure on those who do it.
and keeping it on till the behaivior stops. The key here is to keep the pressure on until they change their ways.

D Supporting someone else who has a problem. You support them when they need help and maybe they'll support you when you need it.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #47 on:** February 26, 2005, 01:22:38 PM »

Agreed Ghosth

squelch list are just a band aid, in having a squelch list, one will still be having to add the next new player that comes in and starts up the obscene language or behavior. bandaiding the player is not fixing the problem, it is still allowing such an individual to participate in his undesired actions.

Some are willing to step up and call a player on his vox use or typing skills from time to time, even seen where when 1 player calls out such an individual on such a case that others back that player up in supporting his decision to call down on an obusive player.

The community should and must police itself, the only other alternative would be a more moderated arena.

and we have seen in past instances that certian moderators use their powers in an abusive or favortism way in which it just causes more problems in the end.

wrag · « **Reply #48 on:** February 26, 2005, 03:18:23 PM »

Hmmm......

Not sure is the vox recorded with the vid?

Can you record it and send a copy to HTC?

Ya I know why record every flight?

How bout you hear it? Set record on and ask the offending party to cool the verbage, and record what follows?

Free speech is just like any other freedom. It stops when you over step certain boundries.

"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it" ~~ George Bernard Shaw

Ghosth · « **Reply #49 on:** February 26, 2005, 07:02:05 PM »

Yes Wrag vox is recorded with video.

Yes filming it does help. If for no other reason that to show a continueing pattern of behaivior.

But HTC has limits as well. If they banned everyone who ever lost it & got filmed they would be short customers after a while.

Anyone can make a mistake, or have a bad night. But in the long term only the community can decide what it will and what it won't tolerate.

SCDR · « **Reply #50 on:** February 26, 2005, 10:53:57 PM »

This sim is kind of like watching TV. You know the show has some
"mature content" (potty mouth) and yet you want to watch it (fly).

Now what do you do? Do you make sure the young ones aren't in
the same room? Do you turn down the volume of your system or
put your head set on? Maybe close and lock the door to your
computer room. Explain that there are people that want to exercise
their right to "free speech", which is what cussing is.
I can cuss with the best of them, but I don't on-line. I also understand
a slip of the tongue once in a while. I also know how to use the
squelch command.

JB73 pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I didn't serve 20 years in the USAF for "free speech" to be stomped on.

SCDR

tactic · « **Reply #51 on:** February 27, 2005, 03:55:41 AM »

Thinking about it, yah! squelch range!!! Well turn on the ol' TV and anymore you and anyone else, will probley hear the same talk. I'm floored sometimes watching TV the crap that comes outa mouths and other viewing situations

Hey I'm a everyday cusser, if there were not cuss words, I'd have little to say most of the time.

But, I do control it online, just kinda a respect thing. I talk to you face to face IRL , oh i'm probley cussing every third word, depending on topic . But ya might as well introduce your kids here and there with a few cuss words, kinda harden them to it.

otherwise wait til they get into kinder or 1st grade and the other kids will do it for ya. I cussed in front of my kids, but they knew better outa respect not to. But most kids today have no respect wow! have they got foul mouths at Young ages and then you watch there parents laugh as johnny 6 or 7 years old tells the friends visting to F off and eat s. teehee isnt john john cute mommy says .I guess you could smack the parents but, cant smack the lit'l brats up side there heads anymore , It should be a law, kids outa line reach over, (smack'm law) the worlds gone mad, mad I tell you!! lmao!!

Its not the words said or used is what bothers people, its the succession, the number of cuss words used in a row, with little or no reasoning. Heres what Most people say to these cuss spurts ," hey whats wrong"? lol! You Cussers need to learn to explain why your going to spurt, then maybe we deal with it better.

OOZ662 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 27, 2005, 04:17:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Janov
My solution: make the filmrecorder also record vox-transmissions. If someone sounds like a 50cent-rapsong, just record it and send the film to HTC...

Our films do record vox transmissions as long as you leave them in .ahf format.

Shuckins · « **Reply #53 on:** February 27, 2005, 07:00:46 AM »

The real problem is the anonymity inherent in an online game. Smart-mouthed punks don't have to look those they offend in the eye. This makes them bold enough to say things they could not otherwise get away with.

wrag · « **Reply #54 on:** February 27, 2005, 09:23:39 AM »

Actually I've found most cut the garbage talk if you ask em to. Doesn't prevent out burst though. Yes some do get upset and say a word or two. So I agree with that. Even said a few myself. Probably on squad channel. Heard a squadie or 2 use em too. Again on SQUAD CHANNEL. I wear headphones whenever my son's girlfriends 9 year old is around because of it. It frees up the language and avoids young ears hearing it. My squadies are pretty cool about it. I got no problem with it. Hey it's squad channel.

Local is another matter IMHO.

On local some get very very carried away. And when you ask them to cool it they get even more abusive. NOTE I said ASK them to. I did not say threaten, I did not say order, I said ASK. Such as "Yo bro EZ on the language please." "Some of us got little kids around." Used that on someone that sounded about 12 years old and was GD'n every other word for abit. It worked.

IMHO If they knew they could be recorded and that recording might get em banned they might be more willing to resist their urge to vent using..... errr lol potty talk

Sadly there are some individuals that just don't care. With such it SEEMS the only effective method is the threat of some sort of punishment. Those are the ones I'm refering to when the talk starts. Recording on and off if they stop leave it on if they get even more abusive. Do nothing with it maybe the 1st time but if they repeat one or two more times??????

What ya gonna do? Ya can't meet em face to face. Which frequently calms people down immediately, because most have been taught manners, with no threat needed or intended. Some just don't seem to bring em to the MA. Ya can't do anything really except go to HTC for redress. That or put up with their crap. Hey we all pay to play. We all should have similar rights. While some think their right to free speach gives carte blanche other disagree.

That's just my opinion. And Yes Ghosth I hear ya

SCDR · « **Reply #55 on:** February 27, 2005, 05:17:55 PM »

That's my point Tactic, if people don't like what's on TV they need
to change the channel. Given there are a few "potty mouths" out
there, you'ld think these "intelligent" people would "change the
channel" ( put headset on, close door, turn volume down ), but
no.

oh well, life goes on.

SCDR

AirWÃ¶lf · « **Reply #56 on:** February 27, 2005, 05:24:18 PM »

Swearing is un-mature in alot of cases but remember one thing. Just because your kids hear it in life doe not mean they will swear. I've been around it all my life and quite frankly, from hearing it all the time, i simply chose to "Not speak like the others" because it sounds dumb. Just because everyone may swear at a time or another does not mean you have to hide it from your family. Your kind of hiding yourself and your family from the outside world. Don't get me wrong, I believe you that it can be annoying and in-proper, but the whole world is involved with swearing whether you like it or not. Just something in life that will never stop. Just my 2 cents.

also headphones are'nt expensive, the sound's closer to you to hear/making it bit more real, and nobody else will hear it like yourself.

daddog · « **Reply #57 on:** February 27, 2005, 10:29:35 PM »

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Agreed Ghosth

squelch list are just a band aid, in having a squelch list, one will still be having to add the next new player that comes in and starts up the obscene language or behavior. bandaiding the player is not fixing the problem, it is still allowing such an individual to participate in his undesired actions.

Some are willing to step up and call a player on his vox use or typing skills from time to time, even seen where when 1 player calls out such an individual on such a case that others back that player up in supporting his decision to call down on an obusive player.

The community should and must police itself, the only other alternative would be a more moderated arena.

and we have seen in past instances that certian moderators use their powers in an abusive or favortism way in which it just causes more problems in the end.

Well I have not read all this thread, but most of it. Seagoon I can relate all to well. I have 4 of my own and now my son who is 9, “sondog” is flying and enjoying the game. I think most of the time the community should police itself. When I hear some swearing I always let it slide. If it continues I ask them politely to stop. Once when I did the fellow when wild and was cussing even more. I told him my son was on and I did not want him to hear it. He just got worse. I logged extremely frustrated and shot off an e-mail to HTC and who it was. It was dealt with and I know if it happened again he would be gone. Sometimes that is what has to happen to clean out the real bad apples.

I personally would love to see a permanent squelch channel, but don’t know if it will ever happen.

sepp99 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 28, 2005, 06:39:30 AM »

I'm online quite a bit & I've never heard it as bad as described (not that it doesn't happen) it doesn't happen often. May I suggest to politely remind "Kinder" to the channel/person-most people are cool and will chill out.