Author Topic: gun safety (Read 1569 times)

doobs · « **on:** March 09, 2005, 07:38:30 AM »

give him credit for being tough, but not to safe

make really sure its empty

Masherbrum · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2005, 08:09:56 AM »

At the local Police Academy here, a recruit will shoot himself/herself at rate of at least one person per graduating class. They do it when unholstering and holstering a Glock 17.

That dude was just plain stupid.

Karaya

indy007 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 09, 2005, 08:20:14 AM »

"I'm the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry this Glock 40. I'm the *BLAM!*"

....too funny

WilldCrd · « **Reply #3 on:** March 09, 2005, 08:46:30 AM »

i shouldnt laugh but....ROFLMAO he's an idiot! like duh didnt verify the weapon was unloaded. real proffesionall there.
Actuall during a training session such as that when displaying a weapon in MOST areas its SOP to have the clip out and the breech open when discussing fireqrm saftey and showing the gun. guess this guy didnt read safety 101

Kegger26 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2005, 08:51:36 AM »

When he hit the slide release I heard the round slide into the chamber. I am a glock nut. I own quite a few of them. Glocks have very distinct sounds, when they fire, when you hit the slide release....ect. You can tell by the sound almost if you have a round going into the chamber. I didnt hear the "clank" you normaly hear when you hit the slide relase on an empty glock.
As for the Glocks going on when holstering it is the fault of the student, not the gun. When I went to SRT school in the Army we used Sig 228s and 226s, in my class alone we had three guys shoot themselves holstering there weapon. Lession? Keep your fingers clear of the trigger area.

Kegger26 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2005, 08:57:19 AM »

After watching it again....I noticed he is not just some cop...but a DEA agent....classic...

Ohh and wildcard please dont call a pistol or rifle mag a clip.... A clip of ammo is what you put into a Garand or K98 rifle. lol. Just a pet peve of mine I guess.

lazs2 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2005, 09:02:30 AM »

A dea agent shooting himself is not really a huge trajedy in my book but..

I have allways felt that double action autoloaders were a complex solution to a nonexistant problem once they got bigger than say a PPK.

I think that they are a dangerous solution once the double action pull gets less than say 8 lbs or a half inch of trigger travel.

lazs

Kegger26 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2005, 09:17:07 AM »

I would agree to a point. While the weapon in question here has a 5.5LB trigger pull, it is just right. The length of the trigger pull on Glock pistols is a long one. Point being a Glock wont fire unless you pull the trigger.
I tend to lean towards the 9mms when it comes to choice of which round to use. I know alot of ppl like the .40s and .45ACP rounds. But with the 9mm I get quick follow up shots, and I shoot with well. I also tend to think shot placement is far more important than stopping power.
With the 9mms the 5.5lb trigger pull is crisp, and feels just right in my hand. I can pull off nice tight groups with it. This is somthing I have a hard time doing with the Sigs and 92FS (M9) 9mms. Which are both SA/DA pistols.

-Keg.

Dago · « **Reply #8 on:** March 09, 2005, 10:35:11 AM »

Dude, that is a websight for the truely sick and disturbed.

Halo · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2005, 10:50:58 AM »

Notice the class got VERY uneasy when an assistant started to hand him an automatic rifle. Smart class.

GrimCO · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2005, 11:11:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Kegger26
I tend to lean towards the 9mms when it comes to choice of which round to use. I know alot of ppl like the .40s and .45ACP rounds. But with the 9mm I get quick follow up shots, and I shoot with well. I also tend to think shot placement is far more important than stopping power.
-Keg.

Trust me, shot placement goes right out the window in most situations when the watermelon hits the fan. I'm a damned good shot, but don't quite trust myself enough to pop someone right between the peepers who is shooting back at me. I therefore opted for the .40 cal when I was a police officer.

I felt good about my choice after my Lieutenant shot a man robbing a convenience store three times with a 9mm. I spotted the guy two blocks away from the scene, and lost him behind some apartments after chasing him for three blocks. Initially, the Lieutenant (who is also a good shot) and I thought he missed. An hour later we got a call from the hospital advising us they had a man come in with three gunshot wounds. He was hit in the left rib area, left thigh, and left hip. I'm guessing he wouldn't have been running like a rabbit if he took those hits with a .40 cal instead of the 9mm, but that's just conjecture.

indy007 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2005, 12:16:49 PM »

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Originally posted by GrimCO
Trust me, shot placement goes right out the window in most situations when the watermelon hits the fan. I'm a damned good shot, but don't quite trust myself enough to pop someone right between the peepers who is shooting back at me. I therefore opted for the .40 cal when I was a police officer.

I felt good about my choice after my Lieutenant shot a man robbing a convenience store three times with a 9mm. I spotted the guy two blocks away from the scene, and lost him behind some apartments after chasing him for three blocks. Initially, the Lieutenant (who is also a good shot) and I thought he missed. An hour later we got a call from the hospital advising us they had a man come in with three gunshot wounds. He was hit in the left rib area, left thigh, and left hip. I'm guessing he wouldn't have been running like a rabbit if he took those hits with a .40 cal instead of the 9mm, but that's just conjecture.

Would there be much improvement on stopping power with some of these new shock rounds I see ad's for everywhere? They're supposed to do a much better job of energy delivery to the target. Adrenaline can overcome alot of things to let somebody run away... but probably be alot harder if their internals are pulverized.

lazs2 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2005, 02:37:47 PM »

well... it all really boils down to keeping your finger out of the damn trigger guard till you want to shoot.

I believe double action and long trigger pulls make people tend to want to get started a little sooner than they should and that the light pull in a panic makes things worse.

I am a good shot too I think but I still go with the old school thinking of taking my time in a hurry. I want to get in one hit and I figure I will have all the time in the world for a "folow up" shot if needed.

In Marshalls excelent study of all recorded gunfigthts a second or follow up shot increase the chance of stopping the bad guy a whopping couple of percent. you were far better off simply hitting them good and square with an effective round.

Some of the newer rounds do indeed make the 9 mm less of a pissant but... poor placement is allways magnified by a poor cartridge...

When I shot with the police.... they all beat me by double the amount of rounds. They shot twice as many. Some of em even hit their targets once or twice mine were head shots (practicing for the zombies). I probly wouldn't even bother to shoot at something I didn't think I could hit either. Gotta save ammo... mostly I only got 5 or six... maybe nine at best before I have to reload.

lazs

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2005, 03:04:24 PM »

I've rarely been as scared as when we gave my wife a magnum-44 to shoot. She accidentally fired the gun, almost hitting my uncles car.

Luckily she was pointing the gun down like I told her and she even missed her feet.

Sandman · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2005, 03:08:52 PM »

Just an observation, but Ogrish.com is probably not what one could call worksafe.

YMMV.