Author Topic: gun safety (Read 1568 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:34:35 AM »

well... I like velocity if I can get it but.. hunters know that it isn't allways enough. It sure seems that a relatively slow round like the 44 mag or 454 casul drops deer and hogs allmost instantly while some of the 7mm and 30 caliber rounds traveling twice as fast have spotty results..

That being said... I have killed rabbits and ground squirles with the 44 with some strange results... somtimes it is allmost explosive and others... the crittrer is dead with hardly any visible damage.

penetration is important. you need to get to the vitals to shut em down and bleed em out. that is true.. velocity causes hydrostatic shock as does expansion and bullet shape... most full jacketed rounds are.... well... rounded.. they make holes that close up quickly with relatively little tissue damge (compared to sharp shouldered bullets or EXPANDED hollow points... a hollow point that fails to expand is basicly... a round nose FMJ.

lazs

Masherbrum · « **Reply #46 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:35:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Dune
But, all things being equal, I'd rather trust my life to a .45ACP 230grn Hydro-Shok doing 850fps, than a 9mm 147grn Hydro-Shok doing 1000fps. Hopefully I never have to find out, but that's the way I'd bet.

I prefer the Cor-Bon 230gr +P ammo (950fps) .45 ammo. I'll never own a 9mm, my next purchase will be a Glock 23 or HK Compact 40 to use as a Concealed Carry.

Karaya

lazs2 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:36:15 AM »

and sciaf.. are you really one of those shemales and... are you the one who keeps emailing me?

lazs

SKJohn · « **Reply #48 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:52:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I prefer the Cor-Bon 230gr +P ammo (950fps) .45 ammo. I'll never own a 9mm, my next purchase will be a Glock 23 or HK Compact 40 to use as a Concealed Carry.

Karaya

Being a fellow CCW'er, I'll be the 1st to tell you that MY 9mm Glocks (26, 17) have NEVER EVER failed me in a self defense shooting situation. . . . . .

Of course, thank God I've never been in a self defense shooting situation, and hope to never be!:aok

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 10, 2005, 09:57:20 AM »

nothing wrong with a 9mm... just wouldn't be my choice.

lazs

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #50 on:** March 10, 2005, 10:02:52 AM »

Lazs did the e-mails contain pictures of scarsely clothed she-males in exposing positions dressed in black lace?

If yes, it wasn't me.

lazs2 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 10, 2005, 10:05:15 AM »

well... that's a relief I suppose.

lazs

storch · « **Reply #52 on:** March 10, 2005, 01:00:02 PM »

I shot a huge rat with a .40 S&W as he was running away through an 8" sewer pipe that was in our fence yard. The projectile must have gone through his rectum and traveled the length of his spine exiting above but not through his skull. it was a lucky shot but amazing none the less. the animal looked intact except for the exit hole. there was no blood.

culero · « **Reply #53 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:31:26 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
nothing wrong with a 9mm... just wouldn't be my choice.

lazs

Word. Whatever you can most reliably hit the target firstest/fastest with is arguably the best for you. As always, YMMV.

I personally prefer .44MAG for sporting use and .45APC for self-defense carry because I've shot those a lot and feel confident with them, so I want the muzzle energy and projectile profile they offer.

But energy is wasted unless its expended IN the target. Less is much better than none.

culero

culero · « **Reply #54 on:** March 11, 2005, 06:47:44 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
I shot a huge rat with a .40 S&W as he was running away through an 8" sewer pipe that was in our fence yard. The projectile must have gone through his rectum and traveled the length of his spine exiting above but not through his skull. it was a lucky shot but amazing none the less. the animal looked intact except for the exit hole. there was no blood.

The most impressive "stop" shot I've ever witnessed was one I made personally.

My family alerted me that there was a stray dog on the property. I found a pit bull dog I didn't recognize from anywhere near wandering loose, with no collar. When I approached, it confronted me aggressively.

I shot it from the window ledge of my El Camino (approx. waist height from the ground) with a .44MAG 20" carbine, using a handloaded round (225gr Hornady semi-jacket HP, 27gr IMR4227, Winchester Large Pistol). I targeted its rightside eye socket. Range approximately 50 feet.

The dog was facing me headon. It lifted about half a foot off the ground and traveled smartly and straight away about 10 feet before hitting the ground again. A wad of what appeared to be excrement flew a considerably farther distance

It never so much as twitched.

I found no exit wound. The corpse seemed to weigh about 50 pounds.

I rated the performance and application of the weapon and munition in this incident as A+.

culero

storch · « **Reply #55 on:** March 11, 2005, 07:58:13 AM »

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Originally posted by culero
The most impressive "stop" shot I've ever witnessed was one I made personally.

My family alerted me that there was a stray dog on the property. I found a pit bull dog I didn't recognize from anywhere near wandering loose, with no collar. When I approached, it confronted me aggressively.

I shot it from the window ledge of my El Camino (approx. waist height from the ground) with a .44MAG 20" carbine, using a handloaded round (225gr Hornady semi-jacket HP, 27gr IMR4227, Winchester Large Pistol). I targeted its rightside eye socket. Range approximately 50 feet.

The dog was facing me headon. It lifted about half a foot off the ground and traveled smartly and straight away about 10 feet before hitting the ground again. A wad of what appeared to be excrement flew a considerably farther distance

It never so much as twitched.

I found no exit wound. The corpse seemed to weigh about 50 pounds.

I rated the performance and application of the weapon and munition in this incident as A+.

culero

those shots are very gratifying. We had some raccoons terrorizing our back porch and eating the fish (Koi) out of our pond. they would do this during the wee hours so we weren't really doing much to deter them however on one night one must have climbed up some decorative shelves to get to the fish food and brought the whole thing down with a crash. pissed and alarmed I look out of my glass door towards the pond. seven raccoons having a party, hmmm. the only gun (long arm not in a safe) at hand is my sheridan .177 air rifle. I grab it pump it 10 times chamber a pointy lead pellet and open the door. all of the racoons scatter but one, a big male and he goes up on his hind legs and hisses. from about 30 feet in the dark I aim at his head and fire. he drops like a bad habit. I go back to bed. the next day I examine the kill. the pellet had entered just above and slightly right of his left eye. of all the animals I've ever harvested that raccoon was my favorite. it was a very lucky shot indeed.

lazs2 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 11, 2005, 08:13:52 AM »

"I personally prefer .44MAG for sporting use and .45APC for self-defense carry because I've shot those a lot and feel confident with them, so I want the muzzle energy and projectile profile they offer."

I pretty much agree with that. I pretty much follow it but the boundries blur.

If I had to pick one handgun for every use it would probly be the 44 mag. I have a lot of time with em and My "little" cut down to 4" and despured redhawk is a pretty neat, if somewaht heavy, pocket gun. Nothing more fun to plink with than a 44 mag either.

Alternately... the .357mag is a great round and I have a j frame of scandium that weighs 12 oz in .357... can be fired from inside the pocket if you were so inclined (shrouded hammer) if you didn't mind setting yourself on fire. a good .357 is my second choice for plinking with the .45 third along with a 22

I simply don't like reloading .357's tho 44mag and 45 are great. Your load sounded way hot even in a carbine but I was thinking 250 grain slug... with a 225 it is still kinda hot for a hndgun tho. I have settled on loads that run about 1200 fps out of a 4" with 250 grain semi wadcutter or... in the house... 240 grain hydrashock by federal.

lazs

EN4CER · « **Reply #57 on:** March 11, 2005, 08:38:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
At the local Police Academy here, a recruit will shoot himself/herself at rate of at least one person per graduating class. They do it when unholstering and holstering a Glock 17.

You have to be kidding / exaggerating right? If your not than I have to give your local municipality credit for hiring the handicapped. I'm not gonna say the length of time that has passed since the last range accident here because I don't want to jinx it but it was before I was hired.

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** March 11, 2005, 09:04:56 AM »

At the police range facility here I have only seen one accdent and it was a glock and a leg shot.

lazs

culero · « **Reply #59 on:** March 12, 2005, 01:07:55 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
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hmmm. the only gun (long arm not in a safe) at hand is my sheridan .177 air rifle. I grab it pump it 10 times chamber a pointy lead pellet and open the door.

Great weapon actually. Before I moved out of town I kept one handy for neighborhood varmints (I lived close to a fact food chicken joint whose dumpster attracted many feral cats which had obnoxious behavior) and used it to eliminate literally dozens of them in the 3 years I was there. Perfectly matched weapon/target that.

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Originally posted by storch
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all of the racoons scatter but one, a big male and he goes up on his hind legs and hisses. from about 30 feet in the dark I aim at his head and fire.

Comment: depending on the target's size (I'm thinking the coon is prolly bigger than the average cat) I often loaded two pellets. Chamber one open the bolt and a second will feed no prob (did in my .177 Sheridan anyway). Little less velocity but at <30' no prob, and I liked the knockdown power on a running target (I use center mass aimpoint when they're moving).

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it was a very lucky shot indeed.

Man that's a cool feeling ain't it? (I mean that "Use the Force" and it worked thingy)

Most satisfying trigger pull I have ever made was while hunting in a drawn-lot whitetail deer hunt on a nearby federal refuge (they use hunts to manage population in years when forage is heavy).

I'd spent two days walking the ground scouting in the month prior. I knew where I wanted to be at daylight - walking in a dry flood control ditch a couple of miles from the road where I'd found several beds and fresh sign. I entered the area at gate open time (twilight -30) and navigated to my ditch using moonlight. I arrived where I wanted to start the hunt at twilight (don't ya love it when a good plan works?

So, here I am slowly stalking down the ditch, stealth mode. I went less than a quarter mile, and was rewarded with a close flush. Fat doe, she spooked from about 50 feet in front of me and took off headlong across a salt grass pasture, 90 degrees heading from the ditch, an interesting deflection shot.

JUST as I mounted, she slowed JUST a hair and looked back. I swear to God, the next is true. Just as I achieved weld with my cheek to the stock, before beginning sight alignment (target in scope but no focus on crosshair yet) I inadvertantly squeezed a hair more on the trigger than I meant to (was just trying to take the slack up, borrowed weapon, not familiar enough with it, shouldn't have done that, oh well, anyway....)

The .270 discharged, her rear legs kicked all the way forward bringing her hooves adjacent her shoulder blades, and she crumbled. All engines full stop. She stayed in place, no twitch. Amazing.

I paced it at 120 yards. Entry wound was exactly 4 inches directly aft the point of the shoulder, a perfect heart shot. I couldn't have done better if I had sighted the shot.

I credit it partly to luck, partly to mechanics (after all, you mount enough times and you develop good habits, I'd been shooting long guns regularly and often for 20+ years at that age of my life). But I can still remember well (it was 20 years and 4 months ago almost to the day) the feeling of awe at what had just occured. Truly a precious moment in my life.

Friggin b*tch damn near killed me, she was fatter than hell and I had never tried to drag a deer through salt grass before - that plan went to hell ("I'll take a rope in my waist bag and drag it out") and I ended up having to heft her up on my shoulders and carry her the 2 miles back to the road. Took me a couple of hours with many stops LOL!

Don't get me started, I love this stuff

culero