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[g00b]

LTAR's with quad laser cannons? Excuse me I just had an accident in my shorts.

Seriously though, if a bunch of those were in service (were they?) it seems like a good addition.

g00b?

[Wolfala]

Awhile back I advocated MANPADS for your guys - and even the same quad 20 setup you want now. I don't think its unreasonable - however, I think the M16 fits the niche that the quad 20 wants to fit into.


http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115431&highlight=ltar+request

[MOIL]

gOOb:
"Seriously though, if a bunch of those were in service (were they?) "

Yes, there were more Wirbelwinds than Ostwinds produced.
They were used to escort and protect the Panzer divisions, along with other strategic points.

Wolfala:
" don't think its unreasonable - however, I think the M16 fits the niche that the quad 20 wants to fit into"

The MGMC16 is armed with 4 50cal machine guns, although somewhat useful on slow and or "fragile" planes, it does not have to ability to do considerable damage to A/C over 1.5k out.
It also is no match for bombers or heavier attack A/C, the 50cal lacks punch and is too small a calibur. The Wirbelwind's 20mm round is much large and is said to do more damage than the Hispano round.

gOOb, I know you were kind of joking about the "accident" in your pants, but truthfully that's the whole point behind the weapon. It's designed to be a big deterant. "If your going to dive in or strafe me, then be prepared for a wall of lead to meet ya.
No different than getting 20 100lb'rs dropped on my head from Lancs or B17's

Thanks for the input fellas

[CPorky]

I don't see a problem with it, if you're vulching, you shouldn't complain about being shot down.

Besides, it uses the lower velocity German guns, not the Hispanos.

[Simaril]

Originally posted by CPorky

Besides, it uses the lower velocity German guns, not the Hispanos.

They still hurt, amn -- 20mm is 20mm!!

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by Simaril


The point of this air combat simulator is to have fun flying planes, and like it or not other features are ultimately judged by how they impact the air combat game.

So the GVs and bases are just there to give the Air Combat Pilots something to bomb?

The Osti isn't much of a threat unless you dive at it, unless it's just me and everybody else can hit crossing  aircraft at 300 miles an hour.  In about 5 seconds your out of range anyway.

Supposedly, alot of aircraft were lost to ground fire. Here, it's a couple here, a couple there. Heck even the bombers turn around and make low attack runs...and survive.

If there were so many combat losses from ground fire I don't have a clue what was used but it sure doesn't seem to be what we have. Sturmgewehrs and Garands?

Although the Bofors on the carrier seem to be effective, land based anti aircraft weapons systems do not.

[MOIL]

Lye-El:
"Supposedly, alot of aircraft were lost to ground fire. Here, it's a couple here, a couple there. Heck even the bombers turn around and make low attack runs...and survive"

This is true Lye, I'm not wanting to turn AH into a "ground" game, just a little better defensive equipment to try and hold back the onslaught of bombers and attackers.

The Bofors would also be a great addition to the game IMO

These would be useful at airfields, cities and HQ's