Serial numbers on bullets?

[Raider179]

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - A state Senate committee approved a proposal Tuesday to put a serial number on every handgun bullet made or sold in California.

The measure cleared the Senate Public Safety Committee on a 4-2 vote over opposition from manufacturers, firearms dealers and sport shooters.

The technology exists to laser-cut bullets with a number that police could use to trace who purchased bullets used in crimes, said Democratic sponsor Sen. Joseph Dunn.

Purchasers would pay up to a half a cent per bullet to fund record-keeping by the state Department of Justice. Vendors would pay up to $50 a year.

"We'll solve a lot of crimes if this becomes law," said Attorney General Bill Lockyer.

If approved by the Legislature, the law would take effect in July 2007.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBF2XRX08E.html

Only problem I see is for people who make  their own bullets.

[JB73]

or running out of numbers...

come on, how many bullets are there really? do they seriously think they can track all of them?


how are they going to read a a number on a deformed bullet that is in the billions (has to be at least 1,000,000,000 bullets made in a year world wide)

1 digit off, and they possibly accuse the wrong person. it will never hold up

[RTSigma]

combination of numbers and letters can help, I'm sure this is meant for civillian ammo and not military "lets make a sh--load of them an hour" type.

[JB73]

ok then it's just 1,000,000


still alot of tiny digits to possibly be misread on a bullet deformed by penetrating bone of a victim,.

ever see one of those bullets fired into that gel to test ballistics? tell me they'll read that number clearly


whoo my first double post in a topic on vacation LMFAO. just popped in to see whats up.


don't worry, JB73 will be spamming the BBS with nonsence really soon (probably thursday night after a flight of drinking bloddy mary's ; )

[DmdBT]

What about those who cast and load their own rounds?

[Tarmac]

Would they put it on the bullet itself or on the casing?

[Raider179]

Originally posted by JB73
or running out of numbers...

come on, how many bullets are there really? do they seriously think they can track all of them?


how are they going to read a a number on a deformed bullet that is in the billions (has to be at least 1,000,000,000 bullets made in a year world wide)

1 digit off, and they possibly accuse the wrong person. it will never hold up

yeah your right. didnt think about the deforming. But as for numbering it shouldnt be too hard being as they are microscopic.
more info...

 NanoVia, LP [profile], an innovative leader in the development of next-generation high-speed microvia drilling technology, announced today its intent to further develop its patent- pending application & process for creating micro-embossing mechanisms for incorporation into rifles and handguns. Within a properly outfitted firearm, the embossing mechanism stamps each shell casing as bullets are fired. The shell casings then become a valuable forensic tool during an investigation.


Randy Rossi, director of the firearms division at the California Department of Justice, said tests have been carried out to see what happened when a marked bullet was fired.

Of 200 rounds fired from close range into walls, car doors, bulletproof vests, rubber matting and a simulated human target, 181 slugs were recovered. All but one of them could be read with an electronic magnifying scope.

lol 200 rounds only recoverd 181 of them? hmmm

[lasersailor184]

Of course this method will be perfectly well used to catch those WHO BUY ILLEGAL GUNS AND AMMUNITION.  Because obviously, all the criminals will put the serial number on their guns and their bullets.

[Russian]

Bunch of morons. So now I have to buy expensive US made ammo? fk that! I enjoy my russian made ~7-10c per bullet.

[GREENTENERAL]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Of course this method will be perfectly well used to catch those WHO BUY ILLEGAL GUNS AND AMMUNITION.  Because obviously, all the criminals will put the serial number on their guns and their bullets.

Thats no joke, it will only deterr law abiders, not law breakers.
Besides, it's not that hard to machine your own gun, or your own bullets, or pour your own bullets, or use a shotgun, or build your own gun walking down the isles of your favorite hardware store, or make a multistack pipe gun from some crap you find in your basement, or make a tension bolt shooter, or make a firecracker gun.

I've been robbed a few times, most did not pack a state of the art firearm.  Usually its nothing even worth putting a serial number on.

[GtoRA2]

This is just a sly way of them taking your guns away. No one can aford legal bullets so law abiding citizens go unarmed.

AND criminals ignore the law.


Same as with all gun laws.



They KNOW exactly what this is going to do to gun ownership in Cali and thats exactly why these ****ing avacado liberal noodlesucking politicians do it.

[Gunslinger]

wow....some bad complaints to a good idea.  it's a 1/2 a cent per round.

You guys are forgetting this is laser etching.  beleive it or not modern day forensics can reconstruct this.  

think about it, if this solves ONE crime it's worth it.  If ONE bastard gets locked up for shooting a little girl during a drive bye it's worth it.  

It's not tracking gun owners.

Sports shooters and self defense types shouldnt have anything to worry about.

It's better than gun control.  This is one of the best ideas I've heard of for curbing gun violence.

[Russian]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
wow....some bad complaints to a good idea.  it's a 1/2 a cent per round.

.

It might be so if manufactures are in US, but I buy WOLF ammo and they are no way in hell going to do such an idiotic thing. That means, I have to buy expensive US made ammo, which is nearly twice the price I pay now.
Anyhow there’s nothing stopping anyone buying from out-of-state. This is stupid and pointless law which will further drain CA deficit.

[GREENTENERAL]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
wow....some bad complaints to a good idea.  it's a 1/2 a cent per round.

You guys are forgetting this is laser etching.  beleive it or not modern day forensics can reconstruct this.  

think about it, if this solves ONE crime it's worth it.  If ONE bastard gets locked up for shooting a little girl during a drive bye it's worth it.  

It's not tracking gun owners.

Sports shooters and self defense types shouldnt have anything to worry about.

It's better than gun control.  This is one of the best ideas I've heard of for curbing gun violence.

Thats true, as long as it does not cap the usage or ownership of other firearms, or create a monopoly on ammunition by illegalising noncurrent stock, leaving a small handful of ammunition manufacturers in comliance with the new law.  To me, it's not weather this law will work at catching a few criminals, but weather it will just create new crime.  My guess is that it will open a black market for older ammo, and all of the crime related to the maintence of that system.  It will also create a thriving enterprise for small illegal ammo manufacturing, not to mention the posibility of a law abiding citizen having his ammo stolen, or replaced by other serial numbered ammo. If this is not countered, the ability to frame someone may never be easier. We may also see a surge of mini shotgun usage.  

I just hope that they thought this one through.

[DieAz]

bout as bad an idea as putting serial numbers in/on fertilizers.