Author Topic: ISG find no evidence of Saddam moving WMD to Syria.  (Read 1471 times)

Offline Thrawn

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ISG find no evidence of Saddam moving WMD to Syria.
« on: April 28, 2005, 06:59:17 PM »
Here's the recent addendum to the ISG report.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/addenda.pdf

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ISG find no evidence of Saddam moving WMD to Syria.
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2005, 08:41:33 PM »
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Based on the evidence available at present, ISG
judged that it was unlikely that an offi cial transfer of
WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place. However,
ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement
of limited WMD-related materials.
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2005, 08:53:41 PM »
"evidence available at present"..."unlikely"..."unable to rule out "

yeah , thats definitive evidence that boosh is evil...impeach him.

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ISG find no evidence of Saddam moving WMD to Syria.
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2005, 01:34:41 AM »
a place outsource torture is Syria's niche, not hide wmd's

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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2005, 01:41:34 AM »
man how drunk were you when you tried to type that?

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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2005, 04:01:26 AM »
Toad, john, why re you reiterating what I already said in the title of the thread?

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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2005, 04:14:53 AM »
So the Basis for going to War was unfounded then. OOH I never new that one !!

How long are the Hawks Neo Cons and our chaps with their special relationship with the US going to argue that creating the mess that is now Iraq was legal justified and a good idea?

God give me strength!:lol

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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2005, 07:16:58 AM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Toad, john, why re you reiterating what I already said in the title of the thread?


Because half the folks here are too lazy to read the summary and the title doesn't give the full picture?

Why didn't you use this as the title?

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However, ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement
of limited WMD-related materials.
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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2005, 07:33:03 AM »
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Originally posted by Toad
Because half the folks here are too lazy to read the summary and the title doesn't give the full picture?

Why didn't you use this as the title?


and the wonderful thing is your point is proven in the post directly before yours LMAO
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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2005, 07:35:38 AM »
I have no doubt. Fortunately, there's a cure for such idiocy.
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2005, 11:30:21 AM »
Just a little fill for your 20/20 hindsight

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Hans Blix -- Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC
January 27, 2003


"Resolution 687 (1991), like the subsequent resolutions I shall refer to, required cooperation by Iraq but such was often withheld or given grudgingly.  Unlike South Africa, which decided on its own to eliminate its nuclear weapons and welcomed inspection as a means of creating confidence in its disarmament, Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance – not even today – of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace.

As we know, the twin operation ‘declare and verify’, which was prescribed in resolution 687 (1991), too often turned into a game of ‘hide and seek’.  Rather than just verifying declarations and supporting evidence, the two inspecting organizations found themselves engaged in efforts to map the weapons programmes and to search for evidence through inspections, interviews, seminars, inquiries with suppliers and intelligence organizations.  As a result, the disarmament phase was not completed in the short time expected.  Sanctions remained and took a severe toll until Iraq accepted the Oil for Food Programme and the gradual development of that programme mitigated the effects of the sanctions."
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2005, 01:19:21 PM »
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The UN did not want the invasion.



france and germany and russia did not want the gulf war resumed because of the "oil for food" profits.

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2005, 01:57:33 PM »
Toad, what do you think "unofficial movements" means?

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2005, 02:15:18 PM »
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Toad, what do you think "unofficial movements" means?


I would think it means: movements done outside normal governmental channels, ie in secret.

That document you linked basically says that the ISG team was unable to determine, one way or the other, if WMD's were in fact moved to Syria or not. In other words, they just dont know.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2005, 02:25:34 PM »
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Originally posted by GScholz
So? Where does it say "WMD found", or "evidence" or even "existence of Iraqi WMD is likely"? The UN did not want the invasion.


Some quotes from 1441:

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Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a
range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), failed to cooperate fully and unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons inspectors, as required by resolution 687 (1991), and ultimately ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998,


and then further on,

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Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,

and yet still further,
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1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions,  

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2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council;

What do you do after you give a final opportunity to comply? It's too bad your clairvoyance was not available to UNMOVIC, the UNSC and Bush.  You could have saved us a lot of trouble.
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