Top 10 All Time Fighters

[Mini D]

Alot of mystery writings on the Eurofighter. There's a pretty decent article here.

In terms of where to position the Typhoon in the current menagerie of fighter aircraft, it can be best described as an F/A-18C sized fighter with BVR systems and agility performance better than older F-15 models, similar to growth F-15 models with same generation systems and engines, but inferior to the F-15 in useful operating radius. The Typhoon is not a stealth aircraft, despite various assertions to this effect, nor is it a genuine supercruiser like the F-22. Its design incorporates none of the features seen in very low observable types, nor does the EJ200 incorporate the unique design features of the F119 and F120 powerplants.

[Furball]

Originally posted by Mini D

I don't agree with the Camel being on the list... I don't recall it being anything near dominating in WWI. It was, however, manufacturable. I see it's presence on par with putting a Soviet T-34 on the list of best tanks. It deserves to be there, but it's manufacturability was it's greatest asset. It seems there were other WWI aircraft that were far better.
 

Sopwith Camel shot down more aircraft air to air than any other fighter in the first world war.  Was among, if not the most agile (apparently on the Sopwith Pup and Tripe were more maneuverable) it took the Camel less time to roll 270 degrees to the right than it took german fighters 90 degrees to the left.  It was very much a dominant aircraft in the air.

Along with the Se5A and the Spad, it ended the 'Bloody April' period and the dominance of the Albatros mid war and was unchallenged until the arrival of the D.7, by which time the Snipes were coming in.

There were not any aircraft that were 'far' better than the Camel.

[Mini D]

Point any aircraft down and it can do that gscholz. And... last I recall the concorde was not a fighter. But, feel free to keep interjecting to say nothing really relevant to anything.

[Furball]

Originally posted by Mini D
Alot of mystery writings on the Eurofighter. There's a pretty decent article here.

That article was written in 2000, lotta water under the bridge since then.

http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk/

[Mini D]

Rumor and enuendo gshcolz. You do realize that even the quote you posted (without source reference BTW) gives credit to the F-22 as being a supercruise fighter then goes on to say how technically, the eurofighter appears to be one too.

And... the F-22 flew a year or two before the Eurofighter 2000.

[Replicant]

Originally posted by Mini D
Alot of mystery writings on the Eurofighter. There's a pretty decent article here.

It's a pretty decent article, but 5 years old now and I noticed a few inaccuracies.  Regarding EJ200 have a look at http://www.eurofighter.starstreak.net/Eurofighter/engines.html quite an interesting read.

When did the F22 fly?

I think the F-4 is deserving to be included.  The fact that it's still in service with many countries proves how adaptable and successful the aircraft is.

[Mini D]

Actually, you know what... this is silly. I did not mean to leave the eurochips out of the picture by implying that the F-22 was the ONLY supercruise capable fighter. There are other supercruise fighters out there that are much less capable in every other aspect and should be on the list simply because eurochips have nothing better to offer.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Replicant
It's a pretty decent article, but 5 years old now and I noticed a few inaccuracies.  Regarding EJ200 have a look at http://www.eurofighter.starstreak.net/Eurofighter/engines.html quite an interesting read.

I'll look at it some other time. I did like the Aussy article because it seemed to be about as unbiased as it got and really addressed the major points of all the aircraft. I'm not big on getting information from fan clubs.

When did the F22 fly?

The YF-22 flew September of 1990. The first production plane flew September of 1997.

I think the F-4 is deserving to be included.  The fact that it's still in service with many countries proves how adaptable and successful the aircraft is.

What was it successful at?

[Mini D]

Why the very article you quoted says that the Eurofighter just might be.

[Replicant]

MiniD, no need to get your knickers in a twist.  You stated earlier that "The F-22 is revolutionary with it's ability to supercruise. Combat experience or not, that makes the list. "  That implied to some people that the ability to supercruise made the list.  Anyway, it is silly, as I already mentioned a F22 chief test pilot has flown both and couldn't seperate them.  He said they were both equal.

You mentioned that the F-22 flew 1 - 2 years before the Eurofighter?  http://www.edwards.af.mil/articles98/docs_html/splash/apr98/cover/first.htm states "On Sept. 7, 1997, the first Lockheed-Boeing F-22 was flown for the first time, taking to the skies over Marietta and north Georgia" whilst Eurofighter flew on 27 March 1994   and prototype flying on 8 August 1986 (http://www.eurofighter.com).

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Elyeh
Rated by the Military channel

10. FA 22 Raptor
9   FA2 Harrier
8   Sopwith Camel
7   ME 262
6   SpitFire
5   Mig 15
4   F86 Saber
3   F4 Phanthom
2   F15C Eagle


And #1  All time Fighter.......

P-51D Mustang

2 each from McDonnell/Douglas and North Amercian Aviation..

lets see.. McDonnell/Douglas merged with Boeing, and NAA went to Rockwell and then to Boeing..

So 4 of the top 10 fighters of all time are Boeings, and half of the total list is American.. 3 brits, a Kraut and a Rooski fighter based on a Kurt Tank design.

What.. Airbus ain't even on the list??

[Furball]

Originally posted by Hangtime


What.. Airbus ain't even on the list??

Well technically..  BAe has 20% in airbus, so kind of?

[Hangtime]

Hmmm... used ta have an old sim lying around.. EF2000 I think it was.

I think I'll load it back up into this antique computer; It was a notable sim only in that we got to blow up mosta Norway.

[Replicant]

Hey Hang, I never had that game, but I had F22 by DID which was enjoyable!  Have fun!

[DREDIOCK]

I gave up all these channels "Top" lists

They should just call tyem for what they are.

"the Top XX  favorite (whatever the show is about) of the people who made the show.

the absolute worst "Top" list I've seen was on Comedy central top 100 standup comedians.

How the F does Cris Rock rate ahead of tried and true vets like Don Rickles, Eddie Murphy, Bill Cosby,  Johnathin winters. And Robin Williams, let alone make the top 10?

Funny guy. but he isnt even in the same league as any of those others I mentioned.