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Offline rpm

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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2005, 03:34:51 PM »
Thank God they replaced the liberal judge that used to sit on the bench with a law and order conservative. Why would you want to hide anything unless you are clearly guilty. All that people use computers and the internets for is child porn anyway. We should start kicking in the doors to those people on the internets and do some searching. Think of the children!
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2005, 03:36:12 PM »
Better yet...Think of the sheep!
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2005, 03:42:40 PM »
Id imagine Sandman or MT encrypt their love letters for eace other
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2005, 03:51:48 PM »
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   Id imagine Sandman or MT encrypt their love letters for eace other


I take it they use the blowfish algorithm...

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2005, 03:52:42 PM »
What about those people that are in a profession that requires encrypted messages to their business partners to avoid the leakage of trade secrets or industrial espionage?  Hackers and social engineers can be quite a problem without the proper amount of paranoia.

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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2005, 05:29:21 PM »
I need to go encrypt my past 2 fast food transactions.....don't want anyone knowing where the cash I paid for it came from.....
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2005, 06:56:52 PM »
If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide!

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2005, 08:02:29 PM »
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Originally posted by bustr
Only a criminal encrypts their personal files on their home PC because they have something to hide.  


That is possibly the most ignorant and stupid statement I've seen in some time. I have encrypted files on my PC and my PDA.  The contain confidential information such as passwords and account numbers. If the police asked me to unlock those files and give them the information I would tell them to take a running jump unless they had a court order.

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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2005, 08:16:47 PM »
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Originally posted by Vulcan
That is possibly the most ignorant and stupid statement I've seen in some time. I have encrypted files on my PC and my PDA.  The contain confidential information such as passwords and account numbers. If the police asked me to unlock those files and give them the information I would tell them to take a running jump unless they had a court order.


Ah but to the local Gestapo..oops I mean police..the fact you are unwilling to share without a court order..makes you guilty in their eyes.
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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2005, 01:19:04 PM »
In more "right to privacy" news...

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,67674,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_7


Again, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
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« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2005, 01:47:35 PM »
A little sense, please.


It's a given fact that the mere use of such software doesn't automatically mean you have something to hide--but at the same time, it can in fact mean that you are indeed hiding something.  This is nothing new and is not a new precedent.  If you are pulled over for a traffic stop and refuse to consent to having your vehicle searched, that is usually taken in the same light--you may well be hiding something.

In this particular case, it's pretty damn obvious that the accused did in fact have something to hide--so why shoudln't his use of that software be used as evidence?  Remember, the software isn't on trial, the man is.  If you stab someone with a knife, nobody is going to want to ban knives--but the knife will sure as heck be used as evidence against you.

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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2005, 01:55:10 PM »
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"We find that evidence of appellant's Internet use and the existence of an encryption program on his computer was at least somewhat relevant to the state's case against him," Judge R.A. Randall wrote in an opinion dated May 3.


What the Judge said and how this thread is portrayed by the original poster and by the author of the article when he states:

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A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.


doesn't rise to level of hysteria shown in this thread.

What the Judge says is that the use of encryption, while not a crime in and of it self can be considered 'relevant' to the case against the accused. The accused was convicted  two counts of attempted use of a minor in a sexual performance, his search engine history also contained search entries for "Lolita's".

Its perfectly logical for the prosecution to 'bring up' the encryption software while presenting his case.

This is no different then say when some one is charged with planting a bomb and investigators find a particular book about bombs or 'bomb making' ' or watching a movie whose theme is similar to the act. Would you cry and whine about 'Now books or movies = criminals'?

The guy was not charged or convicted of anything related to encryption software, no search or arrest warrant was obtained based on the the fact he had encryption software on his cpu etc...

The defense mostly likely claimed in their appeal that the introduction of encryption software was prejudicial and should have been excluded from the prosecution's case.

My opinion is 'big deal'.

Any assumption made was left up to the jury. They were perfectly capable to ignore the whole encryption testimony and there's no indication that the encryption testimony had any impact on the verdict at all.

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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2005, 02:01:58 PM »
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Originally posted by Vulcan
That is possibly the most ignorant and stupid statement I've seen in some time. I have encrypted files on my PC and my PDA.  The contain confidential information such as passwords and account numbers. If the police asked me to unlock those files and give them the information I would tell them to take a running jump unless they had a court order.


Vulcan,

I'm glad that got you going. How you are feeling about the connect the dots presedence from my earlier post is relevent to how our 4th amendment rights in the U.S. are being slipped away from us by non elected judges using judicial precidence and personal activism rather than strictly measuring the case against the 4th Amendment.

Basicly if one judge sets a presidence that in the case its a "child" being violated, the constitution can be set aside. Then down the road another judge can go presidence shopping for the latter judges unchallenged unconstitutional precidence to violate the constitution one ripped stich farther. A fabric has a finite amount of thread in it.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2005, 04:24:45 PM »
I think its nuts. Especially as being an atheist it is my intention to teach our kids about a variety of religions and their beliefs (which I think is a very important thing for people to be aware of in todays world).

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« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2005, 03:34:08 AM »
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What about those people that are in a profession that requires encrypted messages to their business partners to avoid the leakage of trade secrets or industrial espionage?  Hackers and social engineers can be quite a problem without the proper amount of paranoia.


SHHHHhhhh that makes too much sense.