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Offline eskimo2

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« Reply #180 on: June 14, 2005, 10:40:36 AM »
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I didn't say the O'club was being shut down permanently, I said it was shut down while we decide what to do about it.  I opened up this topic soliciting for suggestions to make it work and ironically, the strongest arguments for just keeping it closed are being presented by those who think they're making the opposite point.  On the positive side, community moderation has been suggested and we're open to that idea, but I think that's only a piece of it.


Community moderators should be elected by the BBS community. Of course HTC could reject anyone who is elected. This will take the perceived accountability off of HTC. Appointing mods will most likely come back to bite you.

The closing of the O-Club is a huge loss to our community, and will indirectly lower your customer base by at least a tad. You need the O-Club, we need the O-Club, let us police it.

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« Reply #181 on: June 14, 2005, 10:41:06 AM »
I think the best reason for keeping it open is to provide a place for all the off topic posts.

As far as coming down of people here for being immature or rude or whatever I found over time the O Club had a way of ignoring or driving away people who were really out to lunch regarding what is acceptable.

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« Reply #182 on: June 14, 2005, 10:41:48 AM »
Thanks Pyro. I'll check back in a few days to see if there's been any progress.

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« Reply #183 on: June 14, 2005, 10:43:18 AM »
i am sure many will laugh, but i'll offer to be a moderator. i know i have not been the billboard of moral stature or control always, but i know when someone is being inflamatory and needs to calm down.

oh well, the offer is on the table


another idea....

place the o'club in a totally different location, like it's onw whole forum.
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #184 on: June 14, 2005, 10:46:04 AM »
Well the O'club needed an electrochock anyway.

Who is this Mr Hat guy ?

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« Reply #185 on: June 14, 2005, 10:46:24 AM »
OMG !1!1!!!! HAHAHAHAH :rofl


I think you'd do good JB, dont think I seen you lose it once in there.
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« Reply #186 on: June 14, 2005, 10:46:45 AM »
Nothing wrong with moderating the forum. But at risk of getting dumped again. There is something wrong if you allow some people a very long rope to slander inflame incite and use foul insulting language and yet you barr others with no explanation. Sadly I think the forum was being moderated by a vocal few who could say almost what they liked because it fitted with the moderators view whilst others were virtualy hounded off .

Enough. I'm in danger of griping too much.  Moderate by all means but moderate fairly and impartialy. And most of all make the OC a forum for people who actualy have an Aces High Membership Account. Its real annoying to be told to "****" off by people who probably don't even play the game or pay for the privelidge to be on the board. Should be easily checkable not by the handle they use but by the email address or other stuff.

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« Reply #187 on: June 14, 2005, 10:47:34 AM »
Yeah, someone with an ignore list that has it on display to show everyone the people's posts he can't read because he is incapable of just skipping the post should be a moderator.
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« Reply #188 on: June 14, 2005, 10:52:37 AM »
lazs,

That's all fine and dandy.  Nothing I ever saw you post offended me either, but you're not at all whom I would hold up as a problem example.  We disagree on a lot of things, but I like you and your posts were amusing in most cases, and educational in others.

Too much the O'Club was used to attack others rather than to talk about whatever people felt like talking about.   There should not be a forum wherein it is just fine and dandy to attack the other posters, I don't mean their ideas, I mean the posters themselves.  That is a blunt ad homme attack and conveys a "community" full of vitrol and loathing for its own members.  That is why I stopped reading and went to a site that was more mature in it's conduct.  I did miss some of the posters here though.

I would like the O'Club to return, but I would also like to see the community be more mature and adult in its conduct towards members of the community.  Ad homme attacks and strawman arguments are not effective ways to convey ideas or to build a community.  In particular a diverse community as is going to be found in a game's forum with an international subscriber base needs to be inclusive rather than exclusive.  That doesn't mean that serious subjects can't be discussed, but it does mean that the discussion should be about the subject and not ad hommes about the members involved, nor should it be about tearing apart made up extremist postions that the members never advanced.


I do hope this can be resolved in the communities favor and bring the O'Club back.
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« Reply #189 on: June 14, 2005, 10:54:23 AM »
MiniPeePee has done a good job over at c6, hell... he even banned me once :)
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Pyro, a few thoughts.
« Reply #190 on: June 14, 2005, 10:55:02 AM »
#1. Put a disclaimer at the top of the forum.

#2. Turn off the moderator notification so you guys aren't hassled when people get their panties in a wad.

#3. NO moderators, they can't help but project their own perspective into discussion, (or lack thereof) and you end up with a stilted and boring forum.

#4. Delete the list of banned persons and allow the free exchange of thoughts and ideas, flames and all, a diverse community is a healthy community, and a MUCH more interesting one.  ;)

AGW is unmoderated and at times gets hot, but in the end it all gets sorted out by the participants.

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« Reply #191 on: June 14, 2005, 11:00:01 AM »
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I didn't say the O'club was being shut down permanently, I said it was shut down while we decide what to do about it.  I opened up this topic soliciting for suggestions to make it work and ironically, the strongest arguments for just keeping it closed are being presented by those who think they're making the opposite point.  On the positive side, community moderation has been suggested and we're open to that idea, but I think that's only a piece of it.



I'm not sure community moderation is a good idea.

As an aside, I'd suggest that AH BBS "membership" require an AH account, and the account email address etc be used as documentation. Then when offenses are committed, simply lock the offender off the boards. There'll no longer be trolls wandering in, and there'll be no "whack the mole" games. It does have its drawbacks, you'd have to lock 2 week trial accounts out, and those who don't play and don't pay would be gone. Maybe its harsh, but it is obvious that the O' Club was taking WAY too much time and effort to moderate. The frustration in the posts of those who were trying to moderate it was beyond obvious.
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« Reply #192 on: June 14, 2005, 11:01:09 AM »
Karnak I whole heartedly agree.

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« Reply #193 on: June 14, 2005, 11:01:49 AM »
73 as a moderator...It might work.

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I am kidding...I never really did see a problem with the o'club, it was listed as off topic and everyone who posted there knew that.  Sometimes things would get carried away, but like someone said...we're all adults here.

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« Reply #194 on: June 14, 2005, 11:05:20 AM »
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