Author Topic: O'club (Read 11972 times)

Saintaw · « **Reply #210 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:37:58 PM »

Seagoon? NO WAY! We need a Youropean Socialist Baby Eating mod.

STRAFFO 2006!!!

Flit · « **Reply #211 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:38:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Meatwad
OMG !1!1!!!! HAHAHAHAH

I think you'd do good JB, dont think I seen you lose it once in there.

Schaden · « **Reply #212 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:39:18 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
I don't want to moderate !

does the opposite work ?

Don't try those cunning French mind tricks with us!!!

Schaden · « **Reply #213 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:42:12 PM »

Btw when are we all going for a drunken excessive lunch in Brussels?

Flit · « **Reply #214 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:45:15 PM »

It does seem that most , if not all of the problem poster's did'nt play anyway.
Current members + community mods might be a step in the right direction

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #215 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:51:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Flit
It does seem that most , if not all of the problem poster's did'nt play anyway.
Current members + community mods might be a step in the right direction

HeHe, you don't get it. At least that's what I was told. I think you do, but that's just me.

Saintaw · « **Reply #216 on:** June 14, 2005, 12:51:57 PM »

Shaden, whenever you want... needs to be the week-end, as I'm still in Lululand. I think Stringer's planning to come down here as well soon.

Also, we were talking about an A'dam trip with Swoop... Swoop, you there?

Nilsen · « **Reply #217 on:** June 14, 2005, 01:02:10 PM »

Isnt one of the biggest problems that you have repeat offenders?

Why not give a warning, then a one week/month ban and then a permanent ban? Of course the offenders would just sign up with a new account again you say?

Then make the registration to the forum a "manual" one instead of autmatic? That would take up too much time you say? Then give the administrators a list of sertain IP adress ranges that the problem people use and let the adminisrtartors take care of the approving the registration.

Cumbersome perhaps, but maybe it could work. Its not like there is a thousand new members to this bbs every day is there?

Habu · « **Reply #218 on:** June 14, 2005, 01:03:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I don't think you get it. The O' Club is NOT the game, and it is NOT the reason people play. I doubt more than a few who post in the O'Club fly, I see VERY few of them at all. And I DO post and I DO fly, often. I fly all hours of the day and night. If you think closing the O'Club is going to run off all the customers you are sadly mistaken. The vast majority of the people I know who DO fly don't even go into the O'Club, ever, some don't even go to the BBS in general that often. And remember, I DO go to the O'Club, and often. Or maybe that should read "I DID". Oh yeah, I get it, I've been here for years, I was at WWIIOL for a couple years as well, and I was at AW for years before that. I have been a member of the communities for years, this ain't my first rodeo.

People PAY for the GAME, the BBS is only part of it, but the O'Club is secondary at best. Hell, half the people who threaten to leave over the O'Club being closed ADMIT they don't play anymore. If you are here because you love to play, the O'Club will only be a small blip on your screen.

I don't need to work for the government, I own my own business, and know a little something about business in general, having run several. I know plenty about people and customer service.

The O'Club had more than one or two, or even a few problem posters. They've played "whack the mole" for years.

I've listened to Skuzzy, HiTech, and Pyro. I've seen the frustration, and I've seen what makes them angry. I've done it myself. Read carefully and you'll see they don't WANT the sort of thing that has been going on in the O'Club on their site.

It really is that simple. They don't want people trashing up their house, and they don't want to waste an absurd amount of time and resources (especially as limited as they are) trying to police a bunch of fools who can't behave (myself sometimes included).

The reason I say disclaimers and waivers don't work is because people still read what is posted, and associate it with the site and the game. They'd need to hire a full time moderator to stand over the place and keep it cleaned up. They closed it on a temporary basis because they WILL NOT do that. When ALL THREE people from HTC who DO moderate the boards say the same thing when they lock and delete in the O'Club, you have to think they really mean it.

Your idea that deleting offending posts will drive the offenders away simply doesn't hold water. SOMEBODY will see the offending posts, often WELL before they are deleted. Attention potatos get off on being deleted. They LOVE playing "dodge the moderator' while the moderator plays "whack the mole". Only the good members of the community behave on a regular basis and respond to "moderation". The bad ones crave the attention. From the company, and from the community. You can delete and lock with zero fanfair all you want. They still KNOW they got to someone, because it had to be deleted or locked. That's all they wanted. When that thrill wears off, they'll be back, new name, same name, the game is still the same. They get the point alright, and they LOVE IT. Who has the time to fool with it? HTC says they DO NOT.

I liked the O'Club as much as anyone, more than many. But I also see what went wrong. I generally behaved well, but was sometimes part of the problem. ESPECIALLY if the Aruba thread was part of the problem that became the straw that broke the camel's back.

You don't get it. The O Club is the place to allow people to discuss things other than the game. Take it away and those discussions migrate to the other forums.

Banning everyone but people who have active subscriptions removes something that is very important to this game. The Community. Without a communtiy this game dies. You read it here. People come to the O'Club to catch up on everything in the news and to see what is up. It makes people want to hang out here.

Deleteing offending posts will work. Even if a few people see them first.

BTW you are not the only person to own your own business here. How many million a year are you doing in sales?

airguard · « **Reply #219 on:** June 14, 2005, 01:06:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Schaden
Btw when are we all going for a drunken excessive lunch in Brussels?

can do that somthime between 2th of august and 5th.

problem is to find a plane able to carry me down there, and a taxi driver able to understand my babbling when drinking has been overdue for 2 days.
I need to find Saw, he said he would buy me a couple of beers.
But he is prolly in lux and trying to find nonexisting babes.

Chairboy · « **Reply #220 on:** June 14, 2005, 01:09:08 PM »

Sadly, I am not a current member. I'm on hiatus, waiting for ToD. I'd like to think that I've contributed and am not part of the problem. I think that the person that ignited the fire that burned our house down was a paying member, so it's not exactly a silver bullet solution.

I sure hope that it re-opens, and I respect the difficult decision that HTC needs to make. I hope to see y'all back on the board.

Furball · « **Reply #221 on:** June 14, 2005, 01:12:22 PM »

i want to be a modaratar

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #222 on:** June 14, 2005, 01:14:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Habu
You don't get it. The O Club is the place to allow people to discuss things other than the game. Take it away and those discussions migrate to the other forums.

Banning everyone but people who have active subscriptions removes something that is very important to this game. The Community. Without a communtiy this game dies. You read it here. People come to the O'Club to catch up on everything in the news and to see what is up. It makes people want to hang out here.

Deleteing offending posts will work. Even if a few people see them first.

BTW you are not the only person to own your own business here. How many million a year are you doing in sales?

I do get it. I never disputed that the O'Club COULD be an asset. Agreed, off topic stuff migrates in more often without the O'Club.

People who want to play the game, and be involved with the community, will be here, regardless of the O'Club. You read it here first. The people who make the game and the community ARE NOT in the O'Club only, many are not in there AT ALL. People who love the game and the other people will hang out here, regardless of the O'Club. They'll be in the other community forums, the O'Club is NOT the only community forum, nor is it the back bone or foundation of the community.

Deleting the offending posts hasn't been working. If it was, we wouldn't be having this discussion, and the O'Club would still be up. THAT IS A FACT. They've been deleting posts, locking threads, and banning people, and it has been getting worse for quite some time. They were FORCED by SOME of what you call "the community" (not the community in general, but some who feel they should be allowed "free reign")to close it. VERY few, if any, regular posters in the O'Club were NOT guilty of trolling, baiting, flaming, or other bad behavior at one tyime or another. Just about every one of us has done one or more recently.

Exactly what does the gross sales of my business have to do with ANY of this? How sad, you think you have to measure yourself against someone you disagree with by profit. Next it will be K/D ratio.

By the way, the two of us, in a small shop building racing products, grossed plenty last year.

GreenCloud · « **Reply #223 on:** June 14, 2005, 01:17:51 PM »

This is easy..

I tried to help HTC moderate many moons ago...

You know what happened?..I got banned

everyone on my "Hanoi" lists..Yes ban those pedophiles

we will be much safer.

btw..I as a moderator would virtually stab anyone who gets out of line...

We would need current pictures of all memebers wanting to join the Olcub.

this is ghey

CyranoAH · « **Reply #224 on:** June 14, 2005, 01:20:07 PM »

Will there be a designated moderator on weekends?

Daniel