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Offline AWMac

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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2005, 05:56:44 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2005, 06:17:52 AM »


Religious Persecution, regardless of brand, is a disgusting thing. Violence done 'in the name of God' is a particularly hideous affliction of man, making war upon another for the rightousness of divinity is neither divine nor justice.
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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2005, 07:45:03 AM »
Perhaps at this point it might be good to remember a joke I heard a few years back, during the height of the ethnic cleansing tragedy:



Q:  What's the difference between a Bosnian Christian and a Bosnian Muslim?


A: On Sunday, the Bosnian Christian doesn't go to church, and on Friday the Bosnian Muslim doesnt go to mosque








Remember that the Oklahoma City bombing was done by men who claimed to be true American patriots, and selectively quoted the founding fathers.






Instead of looking at what is done "in the name of" islam or christianity, by people whose commitment may be more tribal, political, or economic than spiritual, in fairness we'd best look at what the religions themselves teach.

There is no Christian doctrine that corresponds to the Muslim conversion by conquest, or "death to the infidel." In contrast, Christians are directly taught to submit to the political and social dictates of higher authorities, even if they are frankly pagan. We are taught to love those who hate us, to pray for those who persecute us, and to extend service beyond what is unfairly demanded ("going the extra mile").





Lastly, to those who would prefer a world without religion and cite atrocities jsutified on religious grounds:  in fairness, shouldnt you also cite the atrocities justified by materialist or atheist philosophies? Please don't forget that Napolean killed thousands of innocents (including those who refused to recant their faith), instituted the first modern "secret police" state, and was responsible for mass atrocities in conquered lands -- in the name of France and Empire.  Hitler justified his slaughters on the grounds that there was no God, and that for the good of humanity only the strongest people should survive -- a nasty but direct outgrowth of Social Darwinism and Nietzche. Stalin killed even more than Hitler, even before the war, and during the war he used his troops like ammunition to be freely consumed -- because to him all that mattered was presrvation of the State (and his own power).



One can thus show that in terms of sheer lethal ferocity, godlessness is more deadly that even miusused religion.


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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2005, 07:46:04 AM »
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What amazes me about the whole thing is that Christianity, Islam, and Judism all believe in the same god.


Thats called political coalition.

And if you will compare list of "useless religion whitch are BS" , you will find it almost same for all 3 parties.

Its quite simple... When christians didnt manage to annihilate muslim, they had to explain to their people hows that. Since they cant say... Loook jesus didnt help us, while that bloody Allah used to help them........ you have to find some excuse.

Like.... muslim version: When we killed almost all of crusaiders, we realized that they worship same god.. so we let them be.

christian version.... We almost annihilated most of muslim, but god stoped us and told us, that they are his children as well.


Every new religion in human history were subject of annihilation. And those who manage to defend themself on the battlefield somehow discovered that they have "same god" :D

Most funny battles were in central eurpe between traditional christian and reformist some 500 years ago.

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2005, 08:02:34 AM »
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Hi Vulcan,

 


3) Christian Attacks on "moderate Muslim civilzations?" The fact that Islam extends throughout the middle east and North Africa was the result of the spread of that religion via Jihad, these Jihads began under the direct supervision of the Prophet.


Would you be so kind and write some exact years of those events ?

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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2005, 08:04:57 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2005, 08:09:33 AM »
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As far as Allah being the same God as that of the Christians, neither consistent Christians nor Muslims would agree with you there.


Hehe you probably never spoke about this theme with muslims did you ?

They have quite funny explanation why christian and muslim god is the same.

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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2005, 09:17:33 AM »
The concept of religion as we know it is outdated and impractical.
Most if not all of the world problems has been caused by religion.
Man's inhumanity to man typically is caused by some outdated belief in a religion or cultural belief that was created just after we were walking upright and learned how to speak. I myself am a spiritual being beliving in God and the wonders of creation. I do not believe in any established religion but respect those that do. I understand why they were created. But they were created by man to serve a select group of men to serve their selfish purpose to dominate a culture. This has been going on since the dawn of recorded history. My point is the human race needs to look beyond their self imposed limitations and realize that god is in all of us and everything and we need to embrace this fact and evolve.
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2005, 11:28:03 AM »
lada re you seriously questining the fact that islamic armies on jihad conquered vast tracts of north africa, the mid east and even europe?

You must remember, christianity is 700 years older than islam and had established itself for centuries around the mediterannian world when the muslim conquests began..

Although islam and arabs came up with some great advances in technology, math and culture during those times there is no reason for ou to sugar coat their agressive nature during those times.

Just look where mecca is and where  spain is on a map....

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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2005, 11:31:30 AM »
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lada re you seriously questining the fact that islamic armies on jihad conquered vast tracts of north africa, the mid east and even europe?
 


yea im  seriously asking him, about whitch era is he talking.

Does he speak about Otoman empire ?

Islamic horde is not quite specific is it ?
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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2005, 11:35:10 AM »
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The concept of religion as we know it is outdated and impractical.
Most if not all of the world problems has been caused by religion.


Religion is just an excuse.  If we were not religious, we would find other things for which we could kill each other.
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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2005, 11:39:53 AM »
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Religion is just an excuse.  If we were not religious, we would find other things for which we could kill each other.


ummmm .naaaa ... what about freedom...

if you kill 10 000's of civilians in name of freedom you will be same hero , like those who killed 100 000 000's in name of God.

Give it some time and watch the score.

edit.: damm i forgot..... since "freedom is right given to us by god" .... we should not count this one... coz its also religion stuff... hmmm ok

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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2005, 11:45:45 AM »
Well, the Muslims invaded and conquered Spain around 711 AD.

Mohammed started islam in Saudi Arabia around 630AD.

You really should read up on the sopread of islam during those years...

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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2005, 11:50:32 AM »
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Well, the Muslims invaded and conquered Spain around 711 AD.

Mohammed started islam in Saudi Arabia around 630AD.

You really should read up on the sopread of islam during those years...


Sorry ... my books doesnt speak about country or kingdom called "Muslim"


however i will try to find that event by year.


Btw how are you sure that he spoke about this event ?
He also might speak about Ottoman empire.

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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2005, 12:02:45 PM »
Lada, look up Mohammad leading and army to take Medina and Mecca.
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