Hawaii a sovereign nation?

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Sources on that first sentance pls, kinda tuff for me to swallow that more hawaiian islanders of native ancestry have died in Iraq than 'any other state in the union'.

This is from an article in the local paper.  Sorry I cant link you to it, requires money I'm afraid.  But I'll post this part.  Its from the beginning of July, so it's recent enough.  I'll try to find some hard facts for you.  I remember not too long ago one of the Marine officers here stating that Hawaii had given more than its share of soldiers for the efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and then a reporter just after stating that more soldiers with island ties had died in service in the last 2 years than any other state.  I'm still trying to track down a source for that, or at least a copy of the statement.

U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye, in a statement of condolence, said the 20-year-old soldier from Hawaii was a member of the 29th Brigade Combat Team.

Lee said the three other 29th Brigade Combat Team soldiers who were injured in the car blast are not from the islands.

Although the 29th Brigade Combat Team is based in Hawaii, it has units from California, Minnesota and Oregon assigned during its year-long tour in Iraq.

Family and friends say the dead soldier is a member of the 229th Military Intelligence Company, which belongs to the 29th Brigade. The unit is commanded by Capt. Michael Desmond.

The soldier, friends say, was single and was returning from the village of Al Shyabi, where soldiers had done searches of vehicles and houses with members of Charlie Company, 100th Battalion, 442nd Infantry.

The soldier's vehicle reportedly was the second in a three-vehicle convoy when the homemade bomb was detonated at about 1 p.m. yesterday.

"In Hawaii we are ohana, and the death of this 20-year-old local soldier is like a death in each of our own families," Inouye said in his statement. "While Americans may have different opinions regarding our presence in Iraq, I believe we are all united in support of our troops, who, without hesitation or fear, willingly serve in harm's way.

"I extend my heartfelt condolences to this brave soldier's family, friends and fellow soldiers who had the privilege of serving with him."

U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka said he wanted to extend his aloha and sympathy to the soldier's family. "We are so proud of our boys and the sacrifices they are making for our country," he said.

Maj. Gen. Eric Olson lost 28 soldiers during the 25th Infantry Division's combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. "We always mourn when we lose any soldier, especially a soldier from Hawaii," he said.

Olson, who stepped down earlier this month as commanding general of the 25th Division, added that "everything I've heard is that they are doing a tremendous job there. This is just a sad, sad thing. We hope that soldiers there continue on with the mission and the folks back here continue to support them the way that they have."

The death will probably weigh heavily as the Hawaii Army National Guard holds a ceremony this morning in Pearl City to honor soldiers of Bravo Company, 193rd Aviation, and Hawaii Air Guard personnel from the 154th Wing and the 201st Combat Communications Groups, which spent all of last year in Afghanistan.

Through yesterday, 22 soldiers, two sailors, 42 Marines and one civilian with Hawaii ties have been killed in Iraq since the war started on March 19, 2003.

Earlier this month the 100th Battalion reported that it had awarded 28 Purple Heart medals for wounds its soldiers received while patrolling the Balad area.

[Hangtime]

Ok.. now, what about Puerto Rico? Guam? Thye American Samoan Islands? The Eskimos in Alaska?

How many central and south american countries had their lawful legitimate govermnets chucked out with the tactict approval of the US governments of the time for American Business Interests of the time?

Yup.. the native hawaiians got a raw deal.. so did the blacks dragged outta africa and sold into slavery here. So did the eskimos when we killed off their food supply, so did the san salvadorans when we stole their country and stuck in a puppet..

Let alone all the other folks that got the shaft from our forebears.. yah know what? It was wrong. And yah know what? More wrongs won't make it right. It's wrong to foster isolated ethnic groups by creating sepearatist enclaves. And, just as it was wrong then to steal property rights, it's wrong now.

The clock can not be rolled back... it's done. We can't recreate the agrarian hunter/gatherer society that existed when Cook sailed in.. and by the time the Royal Hawaiian House was toppled it was embracing western culture and society. Now 'traditionalist' influences on your island would like to re-create the hawaii that vansihed 100 years before it's royal house got deposed.

That's nuts. Is everybody west of the rockies some kinda tree-hugging save the whales and promote the hula nut case??

Cripes.. what are they gonna do next.. sponsor a bill to pay reparations to the owens river valley ranch owners for the Los Angeles Aqueduct? Is Spain ready to take back Utah?

[Fishu]

Give Hawaii to Saddam and watch them regret how they ever came up with the bill, because he would just wipe his arse with the bill.

[Hangtime]

I've got a number of 1744 American casulties in Operatrion Iraqi Freedom, 215 more in Afganistan. 163 of 'em were New Yorkers. Toss in 2,405 more for the WTC attack.

Now, yer point again?

[Lizking]

You forgot to mention Hitler, Fishu, points off.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Hangtime
I've got a number of 1744 American casulties in Operatrion Iraqi Freedom, 215 more in Afganistan. 163 of 'em were New Yorkers. Toss in 2,405 more for the WTC attack.

Now, yer point again?

Are you just trying to think in too complex ways?
Maybe it could be worse than they have it now..?


Lizking,

Hes not alive, as you very well do know.



Apparently foreigners aren't allowed to throw in rather similar comments as the other americans.


Actually I was first thinking what if americans would've just left the island for japanese, but then thought that they lost.
Then had a very brief thought of giving it to todays japanese, but immediately refused the thought because you could actually complain of it.
Japanese in WWII would've replied to the bill with a bullet...
At least they're able to send such bills, they should be happy for that.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Ok.. now, what about Puerto Rico? Guam? Thye American Samoan Islands? The Eskimos in Alaska?

How many central and south american countries had their lawful legitimate govermnets chucked out with the tactict approval of the US governments of the time for American Business Interests of the time?

Yup.. the native hawaiians got a raw deal.. so did the blacks dragged outta africa and sold into slavery here. So did the eskimos when we killed off their food supply, so did the san salvadorans when we stole their country and stuck in a puppet..

Let alone all the other folks that got the shaft from our forebears.. yah know what? It was wrong. And yah know what? More wrongs won't make it right. It's wrong to foster isolated ethnic groups by creating sepearatist enclaves. And, just as it was wrong then to steal property rights, it's wrong now.

The clock can not be rolled back... it's done. We can't recreate the agrarian hunter/gatherer society that existed when Cook sailed in.. and by the time the Royal Hawaiian House was toppled it was embracing western culture and society. Now 'traditionalist' influences on your island would like to re-create the hawaii that vansihed 100 years before it's royal house got deposed.

That's nuts. Is everybody west of the rockies some kinda tree-hugging save the whales and promote the hula nut case??

Cripes.. what are they gonna do next.. sponsor a bill to pay reparations to the owens river valley ranch owners for the Los Angeles Aqueduct? Is Spain ready to take back Utah?

Wasn't the Louisiana purchase made through a drunken card game???? are was that Alaska?????  EIther way both of those incidents need to be looked at.  We may have to give back half of our country.  

God forbid if we did anything wrong during the war of 1812 cause there would go the Southwest US.  

While we're at it lets explore the legality of the declaration of independence.  I bet we had no legal right to break off and form this corrupt and barbaric union we call the USA.

deep down inside I bet this bill has the backing of Casino owners.  I bet this is all that's about is making ALOT of money from gaming Casinos.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Fishu
Apparently foreigners aren't allowed to throw in rather similar comments as the other americans.

Of course not, you silly Finnlander. Now, if you wuz an Amercian Pseudo Redneck Anti-Christian Kill all Jihadists Activist Rabble Rouser like me, it'd be different.

Really.

[lasersailor184]

Wasn't the Louisiana purchase made through a drunken card game????

Wasn't the Louisiana purchase.

Don't know much about Alaska except it was called Seward's folly.  (probably wrong about that one too).

[bigsky]

so does this all boil down to the fact that secession is legal? seems to thats what they are saying.

[Toad]

Then The SOUTH, suh, shall RISE agin'!

[Hangtime]

Nah.. more like parity with the indians. lands of their own, big feaderal assistance package, educational grants, medical grants and hospitals, some autonomy on cultural stuff.

A casino would be facetious guess.

They could build more than one.. I don't think they're commies.

[lasersailor184]

Secession is perfectly legal...


When the government becomes tyrannical and tries to kill the citizens left and right (coughGERMANYcough).

However, when you're seceding just to retain your slaves?  Were sure as hell gonna come down and stomp some sense in you.

[Toad]

What if you secede to protect any and all the rights given to the States in the Constitution?

[lasersailor184]

It says right in the Declaration of Independence that it's the people's duty to revolt when the government has overstepped it's bounds or become tyrannical.


However, know that if you secede as a single state, chances are you're going to collapse economically and socially.  Hard.


The states were originally founded to benefit each other.  But it has become to the point where they come to depend on each other (as much as polar opposite states would like to think).



So it's kind of like being hooked up to a few units of blood in a hospital.  Sure, you can unhook yourself.  You'd gain the freedom to walk around, go wherever the Blood trolley couldn't.

But in a few hours you're going to collapse or die from lack of blood.