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Offline MrRiplEy

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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2001, 08:14:00 AM »
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he didn't kill dink. He just didn't sign on to a flawed treaty that the only country that has signed on is Denmark. If it was such a great idea, how come the rest of the world didn't jump on the bandwagon, forcing the US to follow? Uh? Because they know it's a pile of dung too...

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This guy is so funny that it scares me.
As Bush stated, he left out of the treaty because the developing countries (namely China) were left out of it. Bush was scared that China would 0wn USA if they would have to reduce pollution.

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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2001, 08:22:00 AM »
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He just didn't sign on to a flawed treaty that the only country that has signed on is Denmark.  

LOL!!! the sad thing is that he truly belives this hehe...
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2001, 08:53:00 AM »
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LOL!!! the sad thing is that he truly belives this hehe...


Well.. it was on TV...  :D

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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2001, 09:23:00 AM »
Better than believing everything Howard Stern has to say.. :D

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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2001, 09:36:00 AM »
AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!   damn wackos!!!   GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT A THREAT!!!  THERE IS NONE!!  ALL THE THERMOMETERS ARE BASED IN CITIES WHERE THERE'S THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT!!!  ACCUWEATHER RELEASED THE AVERAGE SURFACE TEMPERATURE YEARS AGO (measured by sattelites not subject to the heat island effect error) AND THE INCREASE WAS NO MORE THAN .125 DEGREES OVER THE PAST CENTURY!!!!!       AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHH HHHHHHH!!!!!!   AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!    DIEDIEDIEIDIEDIEDIEDIE!!!!!!!

*sucks in lotsa air*

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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2001, 09:40:00 AM »
I blame it all on those scheming Penguins!
-SW

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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2001, 10:37:00 AM »
Techinaclly we are still in a ice ige.

Really, the last ice age "ended" 12,000 years ago, but  that 12,000 years only seems long in "human terms". In geologic time 12,000 years is nothing, for a 5 billion year old planet.

However the ice age didn't neccesarily end, what we are in now is a lull in the cold.


What I am getting at is that earths climate is always changing and this change happends over a long period of time very slowly and is very normal. For example what is today Antartica  (and is still in realatively same place as before) used to be a rainforest, Egypt used to have a giant rainforest that dissapeared many thousands of years ago.

So what about global warming and specifically our impact on it?

Well we know global climate and temperature changes occur naturally all the time in precesses that take thousands to millions of years.

What impact do we have?

My personal stance on this is that we do have an impact, but not the death and gloom everyones children will die of skin-cancer or drown by melting glaciers tommorow if we dont adopt immeduiate changes.

However we must make changes.

For all intents and purposes industrialization and exhaust of human made "greenhuse gasses" will continue. It may not have immediate imact as in killeng everyone in two weeks but several thousands of years of behavior like this will begin to have effects.  This is how gloibal climate change occurs naturally, small short term forces add up over time and gradually make changes, the net change over thousands of years could be significant.

Another thing to take note of is the global climates overall sensitivity to temperature ranges. For example a 1 degree change seems like nothing to us as our local temps shift wildly every day. But on a long term and global scale overall temperature trends over millenia are what matter. For example small increases in global temperature could actually start an ice age.

For example there was a period in earh history before humans appeared where the whole planest was a giant iceball, absolutely nothing lived on the surface.  

This happened because certain landmasses moved to the equator, thus raisaing their temperature. This rise in temperature and humidity  increased their rate of chemichal weathering of limestone, the componets of which then entered the atmosphere reflected the suns heat, this cooled the planet and it started snowing the snow then reflected even more heat out of the atmosphere and cooled it further and so on and so on.... Anyway this process took millions of years but the point is this change happends slowly and the wacko leftits are ovrereaching.

However it is important that we drastically reduce our emmision of "greenhouse gasses" as well be here for thousands of years to come (hopefully)  and we will begin to have an impact on global climate in that long term thousands of years timeframe.

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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2001, 11:36:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Broes:
25% of earth's inhabitants use over 50% of global energy consumed.

 When you put it this way, it does sound like some of us are evil deranged energy thiefs.

 How about this wording: 25% of earth's inhabitants produce and use over 50% of global energy consumed
 Now we sound like advanced civilised beings.

 We are not stealing energy from anyone (say, by launching our huge satellite with solar collectors and casting shade on the rest of the world).
 Whoever needs more energy, let them build power plants.

 miko

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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2001, 11:51:00 AM »
(an original poem, inspired by this thread    ;) )

A Vision

i stand in a barren wasteland,
in the heat of desert noon,
on a hill  overlooking a vast salt flat
that extends out in all directions
as far as the eye can see

as far as I can see
are millions and millions of people,
all kinds of people,
men, women, children,
black, white, yellow, red,
all are naked,
and all are bent over
with their tiny little heads
stuck in the ground
and their shinnly little butts
stuck up in the air

on each back is stenciled in blood
a single word

  "greed", "ignorance",
  "arrogance," "avarice",
  "stupidity", "stubborness",
  "blindness", "calousness",
  "mindlessness", "naivete"
  "denial"

these are the ones i can read
from where i stand

each of them struggles as they crouch there
trying to free themselves of the sand's crystalline grip,
and the more they struggle the more they stretch their necks
until most find themselves standing,
bent over at the waist,
with their legs straight,
their heads still stuck in the ground,
 and their fannies taut under the silent, scorching sun

i am startled by a girlish giggle that comes
from somewhere behind me

i turn around to find Mother Nature
standing there, a vision of loveliness,
in flowing, silken robes
of every imaginable color,
a wreath of fragrant flowers adorns her head,
a bluebird sits on her shoulder

"stand aside", she says as she slowly parts her robes
exposing a giant, barbed-wire dildo strapped to her loins

"stand aside and watch", she says,

      "now it's my turn"


Buhdman, out

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« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »
Wow Bud, save that for your kids someday!  ;)

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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2001, 12:12:00 PM »
Hmmmm!  Seems really simple to me - keep on pumping CO2 into the air at current rates or cut back.  Either way, a change in lifestyle is going to happen.  The "Tree Hugging Hippies" are irrelevant - what counts is the literature.

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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2001, 01:13:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Yoj:
Hmmmm!  Seems really simple to me - keep on pumping CO2 into the air at current rates or cut back.

 All the CO2 produced yearly by industry no more then %5 of that produced by natural volcanic activity.
 Some years when volcanic activity is increased, the amount of CO2 emitted increases manyfold. Earth always lived with that, so why attributing CO2 pollution to industry is ridiculous - at least until it reaches volumes comparable with naturally produced ones.

 miko

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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2001, 01:25:00 PM »
miko2d
don't you know it's all our fault? whatever is wrong with the world, we Americans caused it ... but at least we can still drink our water. Oh ya, and eat our beef.

buhdman
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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2001, 01:32:00 PM »
Miko2d - who said global warming was directly proportional to CO2 emissions?

This isn't economics. It's a bit more complicated than that.

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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2001, 03:53:00 PM »
Oh Dowding, surely it must be that simple - I mean, who is it that has been warning about emmisions?  Just scientists and their ilk.  They obviously don't know anything, and anyway, they have a political agenda.

Sorry - being facetious.  I do find it interesting that, in spite of the fact that global warming has been a concern, not of tie-dyed tree huggers, but reputable scientists backed up by reams of data based on observational evidence, we still hear people say "theres no problem, and here's why....", as though the environment of this planet was something simple.

- Yoj