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The Fw 190A-5 fallout
« on: August 08, 2005, 11:53:51 AM »
This has been talked about for years...

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Originally posted by Crumpp

On the FW-190A5, according to the pilots who flew the FW-190A5 it was worst performing of the Antons.  The design gained weight with no power gain.  This is backed up by the technical history of the design.  Some late production FW-190A5's benefited from some engine and prop changes.

I disagree on the performance changes.  Properly modeled the FW190 will get it's high best climb speed and shallower angle climb.  The performance specs our FW190A5 is modeled off is EB-104.  An FW-190G the USAAF tried to ballast back to an FW-190A5.  The G series has a higher drag profile than the FW-190A so it climbs at a steeper angle and much slower speed.  It lacked the engine setup of the Antons and it's performance is not representative of the type.

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HTC, anyt thoughts on revisiting and changing the 190 lineup in the future?
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2005, 12:15:00 PM »
Pyro said he was going to redo them at some point.  I think he was still collecting data, but you'd have to ask him for sure.  I would imagine they want to get some other things done before worrying about tweaking the FW flight model.

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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2005, 12:18:53 PM »
I'd rather have A4.

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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2005, 12:52:43 PM »
I think Pyro is considering the following FW190 lineup:


FW190A3
FW190A6
FW190A8/A9

FW190F3
FW190F8

FW190D9
Ta152H

A few weeks ago I called him when I was at the Garber Facility.  I have a mound of flight test's on the A's and F's to send him along with the CG/weight reports.  Just been too busy to worry about AH lately.  When I get back from this business trip, I will drop him a hard copy in the mail.

All the best,

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2005, 01:09:44 PM »
Cool!  Thanks for the info Crumpp!

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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2005, 02:08:42 PM »
thx for the info Crummp!

imo 190A-8 would be more representative in the late war 190 lineup. A-9 would be nice but only saw few months of action till war ends.
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2005, 03:25:12 PM »
I'm glad to see the F-3 in there.  I'm hoping they further expand the line of ordnance available to the German Jabo planes too.

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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2005, 03:53:27 PM »
Well first of all, the A-3 had engine problems. It overheated and was unreliable at times. And it was a minor minor version, numbers-wise. Sure we could use an early one, but I just wanted to point that out. You might get decreased engine ratings to simulate the engine problems. Said engine problems were fixed in the A-5, by extending the nose 6 more inches, or some such distance.

Why would you want the A-6? For simple firepower reasons? Bah! The A-5, if I remember properly, was far more numerous, and they're both going to fly the same, so asking for the A-6 is basically just asking for better guns in the A-5 (and then we get into the whole "LW guns are porked" "are not!" "are too!" debate).

No reason for an A-9. The advantage would be minimal to say the most. They were relatively scarce and very late war. If they're rare and almost identical to a 190a8, just put the a8 in and have done with it!

As for scenarios and setups, there is little to no reason to include an F-3 unless you want limited ordanance and weaker performance from the F-8. Keep in mind that, while slightly heavier, the A-8 had a stronger engine than the A-5, and seeing that the F-8 is a re-winged A-8 (with slight modifications here and there), you'd essentially get a less powerful plane. For most scenarios the fully loaded F-8 is still a sitting duck, and replacing it with an F-3 wouldn't help much.

The 190s did have a lot of different weapons packages. What were you thinking of? We recently got the panzerschrek rockets. I think HTC would be open to adding more options.

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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2005, 04:16:28 PM »
Shockwaveproductions web site has some flight tested charts on Fw 190.

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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2005, 05:10:51 PM »
Well first of all, the A-3 had engine problems. It overheated and was unreliable at times. And it was a minor minor version, numbers-wise. Sure we could use an early one, but I just wanted to point that out. You might get decreased engine ratings to simulate the engine problems. Said engine problems were fixed in the A-5, by extending the nose 6 more inches, or some such distance.

An earlier A series would be nice, but im leaning to 190A-4 for dual use on west/east fronts.

Why would you want the A-6? For simple firepower reasons? Bah! The A-5, if I remember properly, was far more numerous, and they're both going to fly the same, so asking for the A-6 is basically just asking for better guns in the A-5 (and then we get into the whole "LW guns are porked" "are not!" "are too!" debate).

The 190A-6 would be a nice addition for ToD ETO 1943. One note: The A-6 had lightened wing structure  

No reason for an A-9. The advantage would be minimal to say the most. They were relatively scarce and very late war. If they're rare and almost identical to a 190a8, just put the a8 in and have done with it!

Same here :)  

As for scenarios and setups, there is little to no reason to include an F-3 unless you want limited ordanance and weaker performance from the F-8. Keep in mind that, while slightly heavier, the A-8 had a stronger engine than the A-5, and seeing that the F-8 is a re-winged A-8 (with slight modifications here and there), you'd essentially get a less powerful plane. For most scenarios the fully loaded F-8 is still a sitting duck, and replacing it with an F-3 wouldn't help much.

190 lineup needs a mid war "jabo" version.  

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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2005, 05:39:50 PM »
But what would need to be "mid war" about it, that the F-8 couldn't fill in? In fighters usually the emphasis is on performance... well we're talking ground pounding 190F's here, they didn't have much performance! Especially not when loaded. So bomber-wise, I think the F-8 can fill in for the F3, and if need be the A-5 can fill in with its centerline bomb. Just a thought.

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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2005, 10:06:24 PM »
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No reason for an A-9. The advantage would be minimal to say the most. They were relatively scarce and very late war. If they're rare and almost identical to a 190a8, just put the a8 in and have done with it!


No reason for A9 is like no reason for D9, both entered into service at the same time. And A9 is not almost identical to A8, it is like saying than A8 is almost identical to A5. Performance-wise it is between A8 and D9, while being better armoured and heavier than both, A8 and D9.

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2005, 01:32:12 AM »
a2
a4
a5/a6
a8/a9

But we really need the lower powererd  190 A2, unless AH sticks with the uber Spit V 16lbs which at least in AH makes you wonder what the RAF fuss was about the early 190s was all about...

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2005, 01:42:01 AM »
LOL all those 190s and I can't have a Spitfire XII to fight em in?

It ain't fair I tell ya! :)

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2005, 03:06:06 AM »
A4
A8

F3
F8

D9

TA152

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