The Republican Party

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Sandman
Don't blame him... he's just bitter. If Clinton were allowed to run again, there's not a chance that Dubya could have beat him.

Thats true.

Hell its not so much Bush one, as the dems lost it.

Kerry was not a viable candidate.

[Charon]

move to an area of less population and hope the feds don't have time to bother with you.

That's on the horizon Lazs. My wife wants a bigger house, I want a bigger yard (you cant find those close to the city for under $500,000) and I want like hell to get out of Cook County. Within the year, perhaps. A bigger pain in the bellybutton where commuting is concerned, but so be it. Better human values and less materialism further from the North Shore, though the schools aren’t as good.

Daley, having failed to push though an "assault weapons ban" (if you are willing to look at true statistics you see what a non issue this class of weapon is) at the state level is now pushing one through for Cook County. Because of the way Cook County is structured 2/3 of the Cook County commissioners are Chicago Democrats, who are no more independent than any Chicago alderman. I live in one of the few Republican districts, but they have no power and typically just go along with d'mayor anyway. In essence, Daley has direct control of my life and I have no voting power in return where this unofficial "executive branch" is concerned.

Of course, now my $700 collector M1 Carbine will be considered an "assault weapon" because some bureaucrat arbitrarily added it to a list. We all know most criminals are looking to spend $700 to $1000 on poorly cancelable crime weapons that get ditched after use. The same with the Taurus pistol I have owned for over 10 years that now holds 2 mour rounds in the magazine than it should. There is no grandfather provision (sell, demil, or destroy within 90 days). Fortunately, I may be covered since my village already has less intrusive firearm ordinances that should preempt the county ban (but those living in uncorporated areas will be screwed). Still, I have already contacted several key commissioners to show my displeasure and I plan on making an outreach to the Chicago Tribune to try and present a mainstream gun owner perspective.

Charon

[DrDea]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
I agree with seeker right now.

Currently...and I do stress that....the Republican party lines up with most of my ideals in their agenda.  I don't agree with them on everything.


Liberals/dems-  I cannot bring myself to associate with the party that spat on war vets returning from veitnam.   I just can't do it.  I know I know not all feel this way but the hippies of the 60's are now the liberals of today.  The anti-establishment anti-corporate nanny law making party of the left lines up with almost none of my IDEALs.

I vote right because I don't like the left.  It's pretty sad...I agree.  

I think the democratic party of the US is more in a shambles then the republicans.....they can't even agree on WHAT there message is let alone produce one.

I know this thread is about the right and not the left so I dont want to wander and start a hijack of Nash's troll but I think what I like most about the republican party is the basis of its agenda.

The laws they try to pass are mostly based on personal responsibility.  Something I think is sorely lacking in today's America.

  Gotta agree with this.I only liked the REpublicans because the Democrats couldnt put anyone up that didnt make Bush look like a genius.

[Clifra Jones]

Well now, didn't this degenerate rather quickly.
(like you weren't expecting that, Nash?)

Here's the deal people, and I'll do this wothout talking about the Lefticrats.

The Republican party is a group that somehow lost it's identity over the years. Prior to the Great Depression they were quit strong and held up the concept of this country being a Representative Republic, They were the Party of Lincoln, a party that supported freedom for all Americans.

After the GD, they were pretty much out of power and rightly so for their inaction in dealing with the coming economic crisis. FDR pretty much sowed up power for the Democrat Party in the 40's and except for the presidency the Reps never were able to gain ground in the Congress.

Then Nixon, who single handedly killed the party.

Then Reagon, who brought it somewhat back to life.

Then GHW Bush, who abandoned the Reagan philosophy and paid for it. (I really do not like this man, no, I dispize that man)

Then Clinton, who unwhittingly gave the party a much needed transfusion.

Then GW, The jury is still out on him.

OK, enough of the history lesson, the Rep. party has some issues. Yes they stand for a free market economy, lower taxation, personal responsibility, Family values and all that. BUT, the problem I have with them, and I'm a Republican so I can say this, is that we have a lot of ONE ISSUE members in this party that will not look at the BIG PICTURE. They harp on their one favorite issue and lose site of the other things that need to be accomplished. These folks are most prevelent in places like CA where they get trounced in the Legislative elections, sure we can win the Gov race but lose the legilature where the real power is.

Another problem I have is we nominate some really bad candidates.

Since Reagan we nominated:

GHW: sure he was VP but he was a traitor to the cause. He never really believed in the Reagan way and showed it. He deserved to get beat by Clinton

Bob Dole: If ever there was a political sacrafical lamb if was him. It would have been better to concede the election and save us all the money.

GW: Ok, so he won and got re-elected. But come on, your telling me there isn't anyone better that GW? This guy might be a good manager and all but as a orator and a motivator, well, he just SUCKS! 9/11 handed this guy the country on a silver platter, he should have been able to rally the whole country to his side and keep it there, yet we see it deviding.

The Republican party is not perfect. We have problems. We have some members with tunnel vision, some leader who are incompetant, and some that are damn good. The alternative in this day and age though, IMO, is unthinkable.

What we need is another Ronald Reagan, someone who can stand in front of the people and rally them to the cause. Defeat the retoric of the other side with skill and flair. Soneone who can play the part of President the way it is supposed to be.

That's why I say:

Fred Thompson for President!

[DrDea]

Republicans will tell you its going to rain.Democrats will give you a 2 dollar Umbrella.Greenpeace will file suit for blocking the sun from the grass and the ACLU will defend them.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by DrDea
Republicans will tell you its going to rain.Democrats will give you a 2 dollar Umbrella.Greenpeace will file suit for blocking the sun from the grass and the ACLU will defend them.

No they will give the umbrella to the homeless man after they take it away from you because they say you can afford to buy another one. You heartless winner in lifes lottery!

[Rino]

Originally posted by Nash
I wanna know what you think about it.

This is a troll, I guess. But I'm interested.

Is it still the same party that your dad voted for? Or does that even matter?

Do you like the state it's in? Do you like what it professes? Do you like what it actually does? Do you like where it's going?

I'll say straight out that I cannot comprehend the phenomenon. Shocking! And I won't change my mind based on what you say - so forget about that.

But I'd like to hear your best defense of it, because I find it so utterly beneath contempt, and lacking of any redeeming value whatsoever, that I strain at the notion that good men can knowingly leash themselves to the mast of a ship gone so astray.

To the one-liners, I simply say: "Hah hah."

To the rest of you, I value your insight.

Because I don't get it.

(and folks - lets be civil here, okay?)

     I just wonder why folks here seem to think that you are
chained to a political philosophy simply because you support
one party over another.

     Today it seems that being a moderate makes you either
Adolf or Ghandi to the party "leadership".  I agree with some
of the Republican stances and disagree with a few others.

     I do think it makes alot more sense to vote issues rather
than ideologies.  Nash, you might want to examine the party
more closely than turn up your nose at a distance.  Also realise
that US political parties are NOT designed for foreign opinions.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Rino
Nash, you might want to examine the party
more closely than turn up your nose at a distance.

You've got me confused with someone else.

[bj229r]

Everyone Nash and Raider know voted for Kerry, HOOOWWWW could Bush have won?

[SkyWolf]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Hey, he said it, I just acknowledged the fact that Clinton screwed the pooch. .

Just out of curiosity...what is it exactly that Clinton did?

[SkyWolf]

Originally posted by Gunslinger

I can remember the last democrat.  Barack Obama DNC convention.

Obama is pretty amazing. I listen intently when he speaks. He actually says something.

[lazs2]

charon... I think you are feeling the liberal pinch... I think a lot of people are... It doesn't matter if they are witty and have jon stewart... they are arrogant and intrusive a holes.   They are like *****y gay men and women who judge you by your choice in shoes and how hip a cause is.

The liberals don't believe in personal responisbility and so they demonize and poke fun at anyone who does.  

I think that the more control the liberals have over all thinks media and art... the more we know and hate them.  

That and the whole "you can't have a gun and by the way... buckle up and wear your life jacket when you swim".... that whole thing is what makes a republican voter...  not a republican... a republican voter... the fear that a liberal will have control over your life makes you vote republican..

nash and raider don't get this... they lash out at the republican voters as if they were republicans.   Most of us are libertarians or anarchists like me...

nash and raider... we are republican voters because of you.   We have no choice..   We don't want you or your ilk having any say in our lives.

lazs

[Gunthr]

The Republican Party
I wanna know what you think about it.

This is a troll, I guess. But I'm interested.

Is it still the same party that your dad voted for? Or does that even matter?

Do you like the state it's in? Do you like what it professes? Do you like what it actually does? Do you like where it's going?

I'll say straight out that I cannot comprehend the phenomenon. Shocking!  And I won't change my mind based on what you say - so forget about that.

But I'd like to hear your best defense of it, because I find it so utterly beneath contempt, and lacking of any redeeming value whatsoever, that I strain at the notion that good men can knowingly leash themselves to the mast of a ship gone so astray.

To the one-liners, I simply say: "Hah hah."

To the rest of you, I value your insight.

Because I don't get it.

(and folks - lets be civil here, okay?)


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nash

Nash, I agree your post is a troll, and the questions you ask are  obviously posed from the perspective of one who believes he possesses the one and only truth.

Consider the following: Political parties are inevitable.  They are here to stay.  Political parties represent formalized groups who have organized for the purpose of taking the reigns of power in America by peaceful means, ie, without the use of violence.

Both the Democrat and Republican parties purport to have pretty much the same general goals for America (I use the word "purport, because the foremost goal of both Democrat and Republican party's leadership is actually to gain power).  Where they differ is in the methods each party employs to reach those purported goals.  

The reason that the two parties use different methods to reach the same general goals is because they have to pay off the voters who put them in power by furthering their voter's philosophies.

I have a glaring disagreement with you when you imply that we needn't ask these questions of the Democratic Party, only the Republican Party, as if the Democratic Party is not every bit as specious, amoral, and un-altruistic as the other political party.  It is.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by bj229r
Everyone Nash and Raider know voted for Kerry, HOOOWWWW could Bush have won?

In case you didnt notice I live in GA. Hardly anyone I know voted for kerry. Bush won because fools like you listen to what he says instead of what his actions are.

[Sakai]

Originally posted by SkyWolf
Just out of curiosity...what is it exactly that Clinton did?

More than Bush did, that's why it's everyone's fault but Bush's.

Sakai