Tell Me How Great Broadband Phone Service Is, Again?

[Vulcan]

Looks at AH voice comms... Looks at skuzzy... looks back at AH voice comms

[rabbidrabbit]

Skuzzy is a hippy gone geek..>

whether you like it or not VoIP is the way its going.

[Eagler]

digital phone here
VOIP but only back to the teleco where we dump it off into the phone co wires
once the bugs were worked out of it, it works great
we had to upgrade our high speed network but now hsd has never been faster

the phone co's may win out in the end, once they get into the broadband video battle with fiber to the house but it wil be a bloody battle before it is over

[LePaul]

So how much as HTC paid to enhance the grid so players from all over the world can play online?  

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Sparks, I could explain it in detail, but experience has taught me, people do not care to hear about how downloading a DVD, or using VOIP is screwing up the Internet.  Multiply that by a few million people and...

...and it's still less than spam and web spiders.

[Skuzzy]

Originally posted by LePaul
So how much as HTC paid to enhance the grid so players from all over the world can play online?  

Have to remember LePaul, the game can be played over a dialup connection, including VOX.  In the overall scheme of things, we are a small blip on the Internet radar.
We work really hard to keep the data requirements, of the game, at a minimum.

VOIP is a pig.

Don't get me started about SPAM.  Web crawlers are a pretty small lot though as they do not run continously and usually run off peak times.
P2P is the other pig.

[LePaul]

Heh, Skuzzy i was just stirring the pot a bit because I thought you were trouncing on VOIP a lil hard.

You're right, HTC is playable over dialup, I've done so in the past and several of my squaddies are to this day.

[Max]

Geez Louise, Skuzzy...

I've been using Vonage for a year now, never considering the VOIP ramifications to the degradation of the internet. Now I go to bed feeling guilty and soiled.

DmdMax

[Vulcan]

Skuzzy you old fart you do realize the bigger better faster networks are popping up all the time? That old cables are being given new life with CDWM?

NZ's Telecom has just revealed (worst kept secret) their new network plan, probably 100Mbps fibre to the home, VoIP, video on demand, VoIP superexchanges.

If done correctly you can squeeze more bandwidth out of old cables using data than you could with just voice these days. I can take a bit of copper cable and squeeze 10Mbps out of it, whereas an old voice circuit could only squeeze 33000bps fdx. If VoIP is clogging your infrastructure then you haven't invested in keeping your infrastructure up to date.

Even the price of routing and firewall equipment to slot into the  networks has dropped dramatically. Look at the price of a Juniper M10i , its the same price you'd have paid for a 10Mbps (or less) router a few years ago (I hear Juniper are selling T640's as edge routers in Asia now - thats at least 40gbps coming into a building).

[Skuzzy]

The tightwads here in the U.S. do not upgrade anything until they absolutely need to, and then they wait a year after that to do it.

The infrastructure here is under incredible stress.  You guys get a small taste of it with us using Savvis.  Savvis is the sceond largest Tier 1 provider in the U.S.  Sprint being number one.  Sprint had been cuting data bandwidth to make room for long distance voice calls.  In addition to that, they are now cutting data bandwidth further for VOIP as they are using it as well.

Neither company, which comprises about 80% of the Tier 1 bandwidth in the U.S., is upgrading thier infrastructure.  The U.S. has the largest Inernet infrastructure in the world, but it no longer has the largest available bandwidth per client.
Several countries have surpassed the U.S. and the trend will probably continue.

[Simaril]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Someone sees it as a cheap way to make a buck.

Sparks, I could explain it in detail, but experience has taught me, people do not care to hear about how downloading a DVD, or using VOIP is screwing up the Internet.  Multiply that by a few million people and,...nevermind.

...snip...

Skuzzy, not menaing to stir the pot, but a question:

This sounds exactly like the sociologic question of "who takes care of the village commons". The brief answer is, when it belongs to everybody, nobody does the maintenenace and everyone considers its use a right. Traditionally, teh best answers to this kind of problem come when government -- for the common good -- takes on teh responsibilty and coordinates the cost sharing (like happens with fire deopartments, etc). Its less efficient than the private sector, but it gets a job done where none would be otherwise.


So here's the rub -- woudl it be in the internets best interest to have regulation of bandwidth infrastructure?






this question is posed merely for discussion purposes. Any resempblance to any troll, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

[Skuzzy]

The problem with that approach, here in the U.S. anyway, is the government has proven time and time again they have no idea how the Internet works.
Thier idea of gathering experts to help is to get a bunch of AOL users together, which is no help at all.

The ignorance our government (at all levels) has about the Internet is frightening.  I am afraid they would do more damage than good.

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
The problem with that approach, here in the U.S. anyway, is the government has proven time and time again they have no idea how the Internet works.
Thier idea of gathering experts to help is to get a bunch of AOL users together, which is no help at all.

The ignorance our government (at all levels) has about the Internet is frightening.  I am afraid they would do more damage than good.

Maybe true but you will be safe if you buy a tinfoil hat!

[Yeager2]

Heya guys/girls

I pay about 30 bucks a month for a connection that allows me to download at a rate of about 7-16 (Megabytes) ((.. Yes, Megs)) a second, with an upload speed of about 1.5 megs ((upload))

When I lived in america, I NEVER saw anything like that with crappy comcast, or any other provider..

So skuzzy, what kinda connection would I have?? It's peaked my curiosity.

And yes... it is not mBits,.. i'm actually talkin Megs as in 1,024 kilobytes x 7 to 10 etc.

-Yeager  

[Skuzzy]

Why are you asking me?  I have no idea what kind of connection you should have.  Something being lost in translation?