London suicider Mohammed Sidique Khan tells us whats up

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Source?

http://www.4ni.co.uk/nationalnews.asp?id=43850
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1451496.htm

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Skydancer
Gosh you are rude! aren't you Jackal1?
 

Nothing rude about it Lilter. If you desire to stick your fingers in your ears and bury your head to reality and ignore the obvious because it scares the watermelon out of ya.......so be it.
Some people can see clearly and don`t wait for more and more to die without intervention.
 Your country was attacked, your people died just like ours. You are infuriated on one hand, but prefer to take assanine statments made by the enemy as truthfull and at face value because it is the easiest road.
Mental imcompetency doesn`t amaze me as much as the totaly naive.

[Staga]

Armies & all have been killing civilians since humans have been able to use their hands and also US government, amongst others, have been merrily killing hundreds of thousands civilians.
That's just how the war works.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Staga
US government, amongst others, have been merrily killing hundreds of thousands civilians.
.

Not to mention the fact that the U.S. has been feeding, financing, supplying goods, aid, education and help in any possible form to many, many countries while it has protected, bailed out and fought the enemies of the squeamish and timid while they battled with indecision.

[Skydancer]

"Your country was attacked, your people died just like ours. You are infuriated on one hand, but prefer to take assanine statments made by the enemy as truthfull and at face value because it is the easiest road."


How on earth do you deduce that about me Jackal1?

If you are ttalking about my views on Iraq, then realise that until the damn stupid war there there was no real terrorist activity in Iraq! certainly not one that threatened your nation or mine.

Afghanistan is another matter. The war there was quite justified in terms of defeating terrorism. I back that one all the way.

Iraq was and is a major mistake. We have made terrorism worse with thart one. But hey you'll not agree and no doubt question my intelligence, sexuality, whatever so I'm flogging a dead horse there.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Skydancer
"Your country was attacked, your people died just like ours. You are infuriated on one hand, but prefer to take assanine statments made by the enemy as truthfull and at face value because it is the easiest road."


How on earth do you deduce that about me Jackal1?

If you are ttalking about my views on Iraq, then realise that until the damn stupid war there there was no real terrorist activity in Iraq! certainly not one that threatened your nation or mine.

 

 You answered your own question and put it in text.
 No real terrorists in Iraq? How total naive. You buy into the bill of goods from your very own enemy by buying the statements that they would have been no attack on your country or mine if we would only stay out of the ME, Let me just say ,,,,BS.
Terrorist training, financing ,backing and mass amounts of planning have been going on in Iraq and other places for way, way before we ever was there.
  We are their sworn enemy and have been for ages. They have just recently achieved the goal of reaching the point of being large enough and supported enough to start sizeable and meaningfull attacks around the globe.
  If you buy into what BS they are saying as truthfull and take it at face value, ignoring reality then you are in fact playing right into their hands.
Get a friggen grip.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Skydancer
"Your country was attacked, your people died just like ours. You are infuriated on one hand, but prefer to take assanine statments made by the enemy as truthfull and at face value because it is the easiest road."


How on earth do you deduce that about me Jackal1?



Iraq was and is a major mistake. We have made terrorism worse with thart one.  

 Amazing. You are a terrorist oranizations dream child.
We have made terrorism worse? Sure we have...........by disrupting training , financial backing, harboring and free reign to gain strength to attack at will.
Wanna buy a bridge?
I have one for sale located in the Tigres.

[Skydancer]

Plain propaganda nonsense. Pumped out by our two govts to support a major millitary and political blunder to cover their own rears when it all goes wrong like it is now! I haven't got time now to give a history lesson but look back a few years into history when you get the chance to see just how Mr Hussain for all his cruelty and unpleasentness kept Islamic fundamentalism at bay and how your nation and mine helped him to do that!!!.

[Dowding]

Killing civilians might work. He wants everyday people to hate Muslims and point their fury at the perceived enemy within. Then, when the moderate Muslim is under attack in Britain and extremism gains the support they will have lots of new recruits.

They want total war. Only total war will see them gain majority support in their own communities. Only total war will make the moderate Muslim a minority within Islam.

I can only shake my head at the stupidity of those who espouse the macho, gung-ho "They want a war, we'll give 'em a war" bollocks.

You're singing their tune, but in a different key.

[Torque]

a most sincere post, you are a rare breed in these parts chuck.

the source of islamic intolerance is saudi arabia.

[Shuckins]

So...now what?   Shall we try appeasement again?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Skydancer
I haven't got time now to give a history lesson  

Well that`s a relief. Coming from someone who is totaly unaware and ignores current affairs, a history lesson would be over the top and exceeding mental capacity. It`s hard to teach with your head in the sand, shivering and crying "make it go away".
 Two of the training camps, as I mentioned and linked in another thread, were built on or near `88. That`s just two. They are many , many more.

[lazs2]

dowding is actually right on this as far as he goes.... he has no solution of course because there is no solution much better than what is being done and he hates that.

the only way to prevent such an outcome is for muslims to denounce the crazies and help with the fight against them.... There is no real alternative... if they condone through inaction then dowdings predictions become rule.. people see all muslims as the bad guy or... at least a potential one.

it is not possible to simply let them alone or to give them what they want... as jakal pointed out.... leave em alone and they simply work harder and more effectively on murder since they can't possibly get what they want.... What they want is radical and not shared by enough muslims to be a possible movement.

lazs

[Yeager]

total war in the 21st century would last about 45 minutes.  Hour and a half tops.

[Jackal1]

True.

It`s really a pretty simple concept.
On a smaller scale it can be compared to a group of schoolyard bullies.
You sit back and do nothing, let them grow and gain strength so you get beaten up at every opportunity while you try to pretend it isn`t happening............Or you can pull your pants up, take some weight gainer and punch the biggest , baddest mutha of the bunch in the nose until the BS stops.............or you can simply continue being sniveling, whining, crying wimp and take what is dished out at will.