Author Topic: Bush apologizes (Read 1770 times)

rpm · « **Reply #45 on:** September 14, 2005, 09:00:10 PM »

So, it's pass the buck?

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Originally posted by President Harry S. Truman
The Buck stops here.

Nash · « **Reply #46 on:** September 14, 2005, 09:03:40 PM »

If not for the welfare of its citizens (and no, don't get your panties in a bunch, welfare aint synonymous with a check), what's the point of having a government at all? What are you paying them for, then?

Thrawn · « **Reply #47 on:** September 14, 2005, 09:23:38 PM »

Can someone please show me where Bush apologized, because I can't find a quote anywhere.

And to reiterate, Bush said he takes responsibility. Okay, what does that mean? So far there are words, how is going to back them up?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #48 on:** September 14, 2005, 11:43:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Can someone please show me where Bush apologized, because I can't find a quote anywhere.

And to reiterate, Bush said he takes responsibility. Okay, what does that mean? So far there are words, how is going to back them up?

Laying blame doesn't pump out New Orleans either.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #49 on:** September 14, 2005, 11:46:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
pssst... DREDIOCK... you didn't really say anything there.

I do it all the time too... that's how I can spot it.

Odd. I think I did.
What was it I didnt say? LOL

Nash · « **Reply #50 on:** September 15, 2005, 12:00:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Laying blame doesn't pump out New Orleans either.

I'm with ya Holden.

Lets watch with all the passion of robots. Lets question, not.

Because I'm certain that these questions only get in the way. They impede. And given a silent populace, the government would be without distraction and be better able to get it right the next time. Lives are at stake, it turns out. If only we would just shut up.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #51 on:** September 15, 2005, 12:06:26 AM »

Point your finger and yell very loud, get angry and lay blame.

Or pick up a bucket and bail.

Which do you truely think is more effective?

Nash · « **Reply #52 on:** September 15, 2005, 12:08:00 AM »

Both.

One to mitigate the current disaster, and the other to prevent a future one.

Hard concept?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #53 on:** September 15, 2005, 12:15:53 AM »

The important concept is the one you fail to grasp.

It is much more effective to bail using both hands. Finger pointing hinders the process.

When you are up to your bellybutton in alligators, it is best to deal with and solve that problem.

Instead we (in the short term) waste time being angry and making policy for the future while still submerged.

The Patriot act was passed in the heat of passion following 9/11. See how good passion and policy mix?

Sandman · « **Reply #54 on:** September 15, 2005, 12:17:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin

The Patriot act was passed in the heat of passion following 9/11. See how good passion and policy mix?

The scary thing is that there are people today that will argue with you on whether it's a good law or not.

Godzilla · « **Reply #55 on:** September 15, 2005, 12:22:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Both.

One to mitigate the current disaster, and the other to prevent a future one.

Hard concept?

Then let the investigation of the local governments failures begin immediately.

Nash · « **Reply #56 on:** September 15, 2005, 12:23:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The important concept is the one you fail to grasp.

It is much more effective to bail using both hands. Finger pointing hinders the process.

When you are up to your bellybutton in alligators, it is best to deal with and solve that problem.

Instead we (in the short term) waste time being angry and making policy for the future while still submerged.

The Patriot act was passed in the heat of passion following 9/11. See how good passion and policy mix?

Not very good at all. Interesting to see you recognizing that whilst riding in the way-back machine but failing to put it together on the ride home.

Finger pointing hinders the process? No, Holden. Finger pointing is part of the process. Anyone who tells ya differently has got something to hide.

Listen to you!

Alligators up to our asses, the future submerged, the heat of passion.

This is a last resort....

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #57 on:** September 15, 2005, 12:38:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Not very good at all. Interesting to see you recognizing that whilst riding in the way-back machine but failing to put it together on the ride home.

Finger pointing hinders the process? No, Holden. Finger pointing is part of the process. Anyone who tells ya differently has got something to hide.

Listen to you!

Alligators up to our asses, the future submerged, the heat of passion.

This is a last resort....

Okay Nash.

I'll try to explain one more time.

When your house in burning down, do you stop and figure out why the fire started, who was to blame, was the response time of the fire department appropriate, did the fire department have it's budget cut, ... or do you gather up your family and get out?

I submit that the first thing to do is to save your family. The second thing to do is douse the flames or call the fire department if you need help. The third thing to do is figure out where you will stay tonite, get the kids calmed down and get them some food.

Then get in touch with insurance, look at the next few weeks as a time frame and then figure out why the house burned down, whether the fire department response time was appropriate, whether you should picket the mayors office for cutting the budget of the fire department.

You seem to think you should be painting picket signs while your house is still burning.

Toad · « **Reply #58 on:** September 15, 2005, 12:48:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
The scary thing is that there are people today that will argue with you on whether it's a good law or not.

Indeed. Like the majority of the House of Representatives.

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CNN: ...The final vote was 257-171. The bill makes permanent 14 of 16 provisions in the act set to expire next year and extends two others for another 10 years...

In the final tally, 14 Republicans bucked Bush and the party leadership to vote against the Patriot Act renewal. Among Democrats, 43 supported it, while 156 voted no.

However, a number of top Democrats supported the bill, including five members of the party's House leadership -- Steny Hoyer, the minority whip; Robert Menendez and Jim Clyburn, the chairman and vice chairman of the Democratic caucus; John Spratt, assistant minority leader; and Rahm Emanuel, who chairs the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

The ranking Democrats on the Intelligence and Armed Services committees -- Reps. Jane Harman and Ike Skelton -- also voted yes.

and the Senate voted unanimously on their version.

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WASHINGTON The U.S. Senate has voted unanimously to make permanent nearly all the main provisions of the law known as the USA Patriot Act, after Republican leaders agreed to include additional civil rights safeguards and to forestall any expansion of the government's counterterrorism powers

So I guess somebody thinks it has value.

Nash · « **Reply #59 on:** September 15, 2005, 12:52:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Okay Nash.

I'll try to explain one more time.

When your house in burning down....

Don't patronize me with this "I'll try to explain one more time" garbage. Who do you think you are?

Are you trying to be trite? Intentionally? Because while your response to a house fire is decidedly appropriate, we aint talking about a house fire here.

You wanna create some kind of relationship between painting fences while a house burns, but that just aint realistic. It don't even tug at the heart strings.