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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #135 on: September 23, 2005, 11:29:03 AM »
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yep... it's time to quit screwing around... let's get this all out in the open..  let's have some SC ruling (after dubya pumps up the court with honest men).

So MT.... if the SC heard the case for the second.... How would you want the ruling to go?

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Based on what I've read in this thread, and on the great internet.... It doesn't matter one iota.  

Let me explain.

If the SC says it is an individual right, not a whole lot changes.
If the SC says it is a collective right, not a whole lot changes due to the definition of a militia. So tell me. Why should I care?
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« Reply #136 on: September 23, 2005, 02:38:10 PM »
Hardly.... if the SC admits that it is an individual right that can't be infringed upon then all that is left is to determine what are arms and what arms could be useful to a militia...

The first thing that would happen is that more states would be forced to adopt gun laws much like Vermont or face a rash of court cases that would drown em...  At the same time the gun control acts of 1934 and 1968 would become moot and be recinded.

The BATF would have to close it's doors for lack of anything to do and billions of dollars a year that is being spent on gun control would no longer have any government agencies to go to.

No taxes or fees would be allowed since these would be infringments.   It says "shall not be infringed" not "you can have guns if you can afford the fees"

you could still have any gun control laws you wanted on private property.

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« Reply #137 on: September 25, 2005, 11:26:34 AM »
I can see them restricting ownership to felons and parolees.
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Offline SaburoS

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« Reply #138 on: September 25, 2005, 03:51:29 PM »
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No taxes or fees would be allowed since these would be infringments.   It says "shall not be infringed" not "you can have guns if you can afford the fees"

lazs


Well hell, let's take this one step further....
I want my gun for free then. I mean, those high prices are infringing my buying that Barret Light 50. ;)
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« Reply #139 on: September 25, 2005, 04:36:33 PM »
You are not buying the gun from the Government.
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« Reply #140 on: September 26, 2005, 08:57:59 AM »
I can see getting rid of the whole parole thing.

To me... once a criminal is released from prison he should have all his rights restored.... if you don't think him capable of restored rights.... of walking amoung us.... why did you let him out in the first place?

And... if he wants to use a gun then he will.   No law will change that.    

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