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Offline Ripsnort

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« on: September 21, 2001, 09:51:00 AM »
A passenger described what happened
        shortly after takeoff to the Washington
        Times' John McCaslin, who shared this
        account with his readers Thursday:

        "I want to thank you brave folks for
        coming out today," the pilot announced
        over the public address system. "We
        don't have any new instructions from
        the federal government, so from now on,
        we're on our own."

        The passengers listened in total
        silence, McCaslin was told.

        "Sometimes a potential hijacker will
        announce that he has a bomb. There are
        no bombs on this aircraft and if
        someone were to get up and make that
        claim, don't believe him. If someone
        were to stand up, brandish something
        such as a plastic knife and say, 'This
        is a hijacking' or words to that
        effect, here is what you should do:

        "Every one of you should stand up and
        immediately throw things at that person
        - pillows, books, magazines,
        eyeglasses, shoes - anything that will
        throw him off balance and distract his
        attention. If he has a confederate or
        two, do the same with them. Most
        important: Get a blanket over him, then
        wrestle him to the floor and keep him
        there. We'll land the plane at the
        nearest airport and the authorities
        will take it from there.

        "Remember, there will be one of him and
        maybe a few confederates, but there are
        200 of you. Now, since we're a family
        for the next few hours, I'll ask you to
        turn to the person next to you,
        introduce yourself, tell them a little
        about yourself and ask them to do the
        same."

        At the end of that remarkable address,
        Flight 564's passengers gave their
        pilot a rousing round of applause.

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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2001, 10:03:00 AM »
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20010919-6357240.htm

The author still does not state if he himself was on the flight or if he got the story second-hand.

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2001, 10:32:00 AM »
"Get a blanket over him, then
wrestle him to the floor and keep him
there."

Did he forget the part about beating them senseless? Fire extinguishers and emergency oxygen bottles make excellent, if large, blackjacks.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2001, 10:57:00 AM »
I have heard a few stories about passengers banding together since this attack. one story I heard, and I don't know if this is urban legend or not, on a flight over the weekend, and arab man got up and started walking to the front of the plane.... about 6 guys stood up, and wouldn't let him pass... he said he was just going to the restroom..... they said use the one in the back...... so he did.

it's sad that it has come to this.

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2001, 11:02:00 AM »
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Originally posted by NATEDOG:
I have heard a few stories about passengers banding together since this attack. one story I heard, and I don't know if this is urban legend or not, on a flight over the weekend, and arab man got up and started walking to the front of the plane.... about 6 guys stood up, and wouldn't let him pass... he said he was just going to the restroom..... they said use the one in the back...... so he did.

it's sad that it has come to this.

Though it is very sad, when it comes to survival, we all do weird things.  Survival is the most primitive function our brains know of...and react to it in different fashions.

Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean I shouldn't be.  I've lived with that saying for many years now, and survived a gun pulled on me 4 times (shot at me twice).

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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2001, 11:11:00 AM »
This is the way we're going to stop terrorist hijackings!  I really like this.

Buhdman, out

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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2001, 11:43:00 AM »
Rip,

<<<...and survived a gun pulled on me 4 times (shot at me twice).>>>

Not doing your chores at home, eh?

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2001, 11:46:00 AM »
Nah, wife with PMS just yells alot, though she *does* have a CWP.  :)

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2001, 11:50:00 AM »
Allegedly (on one of the crappy cable news channels, MSNBC, I think), three Arab-Americans were pulled from a flight from Salt Lake City last night, because the other passengers refused to fly with them.

That really diddlying pisses me off.

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2001, 12:02:00 PM »
Normal reactions in the aftermath of what has just happened Dinger, and believe me, its only the beginning of this type of behavior.  Like it or not, survival is one of the most primitive forms of the brain, and reaction to survival comes in many forms.  You may see it as racism, but in a primitive brainstem, it sees it subconsciously as "Survival".

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2001, 12:06:00 PM »
Dinger, would you have flown with them? Would you have sat in front of them without ever looking twice? Would you not have wondered?

Just curious and certainly not advocating such behaviour.

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2001, 12:31:00 PM »
Frankly, I would have refused to fly without them.

Yes, fear is a response.  Fear based on ignorance is what started this mess.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2001, 12:37:00 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2001, 12:45:00 PM »
S!

I work as a News Cameraman and I interviewed a number of Airline pilots re. what they would do.

They all told me that now their standard procedure in the event of a hijacking is to put the aircraft into a series of negative 'g' maneuvers.

Anyone who is standing up in the passenger area would be violently bounced off ceiling and walls.  They would likely suffer serious head and neck injuries and lose consciousness.

Prior to the maneuvers, the pilots told me they would instruct passengers to fasten their seatbelts.

The second option, should the hijackers survive the first, would be depressurization of the passenger cabin.  This can be done from the Cockpit.

The result would be eardrums blown out and violent headaches, and if the aircraft was at high altitude, loss of consciousness due to oxygen starvation.

The pilots said after depressurization they would bring the aircraft down to lower levels to ensure passengers did not die from lack of oxygen.

Quite drastic responses, but likely these would settle a group of hijackers down very quickly.

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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2001, 12:48:00 PM »
Yes, I agree, it is sad and I'm afraid it will continue.

I guess it's my law enforcement background, but I have been finding myself profiling alot as of late. I certainly hope I don't stupe to the level of the folks in that story. Having said that, I'm going to protect my family by whatever means necessary. Contradictory I know, but if you're not sure, you need to find out.