Scary, in an wierd sort of way.

[Maverick]

 

Originally posted by Boroda:

Wonder what a righteous indignation should arise if a US pilot dies under the same circumstances.

I'd like to direct your attention to the list of unarmed military aircraft and civilian aircraft shot down by the same country you hale from. There were numerous fatalities thanks to your military's indiscriminate practices. Several of the shoot downs were also the result of chinese actions. It seems to me the score here is pretty one sided. There have been far more fatalities on the U.S. side than china and the ussr combined. I believe at this time there have been NO fatalities in the case of soviet or chinese recon planes to date as the result of U.S. interceptions.

Perhaps that is not something you would like to admit. It kind of takes away from your self serving sense of righteous indignation doesn't it commissar.

Mav

PS Personally I do hope future recon planes flying in the same area will be escorted. That should keep any other idiotic interceptor pilots from getting "too close" to slower less maneuverable aircraft.

[Spooky67]

 

Originally posted by Boroda:
Spooky, look outside the window please. It's spring, year 2001, mr. McCarthy.

  Will do Mr Stalin  
Hey boroda it's just a joke lighten up ! It's called "humour noir"...Not very tasteful I admit but some people like it !

Plus this is the O'club remember : Open forum for off-topic and less serious discussions.

Don't want to get into a political discussion here but we are free to make even the baddest jokes without having the politically correct police breathing down our necks...(to contact them dial: 0800-Kilo-Mike-Alpha)

Ok now here's a smiley   Get it ?

Spooky

 



[This message has been edited by Spooky67 (edited 04-13-2001).]

[Betown]

Great,
        So your actualy telling me that a Chinese pilot, who has not been trained properly. Makes one big huge mother *$&(£ off mistake and crashes into something twice the size of my house and he is made into a national hero!!

So why.. When I fell of that step ladder the other day and hit that old geezzer on the head was I not branded a hero... Hummmm.

[Fatty]

In a related story, the People's Daily reports that the military has approved a proposition to officially designate Wei as a martyr.

[Moose11]

 

Originally posted by Spooky67:
    Will do Mr Stalin    
Hey boroda it's just a joke lighten up ! It's called "humour noir"...Not very tasteful I admit but some people like it !

Plus this is the O'club remember : Open forum for off-topic and less serious discussions.

Don't want to get into a political discussion here but we are free to make even the baddest jokes without having the politically correct police breathing down our necks...(to contact them dial: 0800-Kilo-Mike-Alpha)

Ok now here's a smiley     Get it ?

Spooky

I agree with Boroda Spooky,

whether or not this is a less then serious discussion, pay the Chinese pilot the same respect you would an American one who made a mistake.

Yes, he made a mistake. It was an accident and most likely Wei's fault.

But don't trod on the mans grave just to get a laugh out of him, because I bet it wasn't a pleasent end to his life (either by sharks, drowning, shock, etc) and if you were in the same place you would definitely not appreciate people picking fun at you.

If you cannot respect the dead, then you have no respect for life in my book.

Regards,

Moose

[Toad]

No offense Moose, but have you hung out around pilots much?  

[Revvin]

Daff> The trouble is they believe eveything their leadership feeds them, blind faith that everything they are told is the gospel truth, that their country is right and anything outside their shores should be treated with suspicion and spied upon incase someone is plotting against them, severe paranoia about anything that does not fit into their culture leads to generations of people like this. Who am I talking about?

America of course

[TheWobble]

 

Daff> The trouble is they believe eveything their leadership feeds them, blind faith that everything they are told is the gospel truth, that their country is right and anything outside their shores should be treated with suspicion and spied upon incase someone is plotting against them, severe paranoia about anything that does not fit into their culture leads to generations of people like this. Who am I talking about?
America of course

You should know better than that just by reading this board....

[Revvin]

Yeah on refelection perhaps it was a slightly unfair sweeping comment, I know there are some guys willing to talk and discussthings rationally but recently I've become iritated at the attitude of some on this board when talking about other countries, such topics as Boroda's post about the first man in space was met by frothing at the mouth jingoistic flag waving muppets who felt the need to put another countries efforts down and the same goes forthe China incident, they might well have been in international airspace (but who knows if they strayed inside China airspace and will we ever know?) but they were using technology to spy into China and give reason for a fighter to be sent to watch the plane. This chest beating by the Americans here over the whole subject is getting beyond a joke, now they are even gloating over the death of another man! I thought this was an international game and therefore a board with an international flavour to it but it seems thats not the case the discussion is only welcome if its of an American bias  

[Toad]

Originally posted by Revvin:
... they might well have been in international airspace (but who knows if they strayed inside China airspace and will we ever know?)....

Even the CHINESE admit the collision was in International Airspace. But in your oh-so-unbiased observation you choose to cast an "X-file" suspicion on that.

...but they were using technology to spy into China and give reason for a fighter to be sent to watch the plane.

Oh no! Not TECHNOLOGY!  (Image removed from quote.) Antennae! Receivers!!! Recorders!!!!! OH MY!

Spy? How about "intelligence gathering"? Like every "major power" nation does in some form or another. The Chinese have a shared "intelligence gathering" operation in Cuba now. Check out what the Nimrods did in the 70's and 80's. It's no big thing. Unless of course you are just into inflammatory rhetoric.

[Revvin]

Yawn another person can't see past the propaganda, I said *might* why else did the Chinese feel the need to send out a fighter to recon? Nothing X-Files about that.

As for the technology, yes there was spying going on, thats why the crew spent precious minutes destroying what they had,every country does it but nobody whines as loudly as America when they get caught with their pants down, this would not have gone any further and made such media hype had America not insisted that this flight was nothing more than harmless, instead they bang their fists and try to bully China and dig a hole for themselves and endanger the lives of their own crewmen.

[Toad]

Rev,

What you don't know about what goes on in the field of international intelligence gathering would fill volumes.

Obviously, ignorance is bliss.

Enjoy.  

[Boroda]

Revvin, It's hard to believe that we were on the different sides two years ago...

Now you say EXACTLY what I meant by "trolling" into all this EP-3 threads, but you express this POV much better as a native English-speaker.

You know my reaputation on flightsim boards, and I am happy to see that you share my beliefs sometimes.

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With respect,
    Pavel Pavlov,
    Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS

[Revvin]

Toad if all you can make is pissy snide comments like that then I fear its your ignorance which is the greater..why do I fear this? because governments love puppets like you that swallow everything hook line and sinker and a nation of puppets blindly following such a regime is dangerous to say the least as history has shown.

Why is it that America cannot shoulder any blame at all in this incident? America is not blameless and yet takes the moral highground when one of their spy planes get caught, your governments actions after the crash did more to endanger the lives of its crewmen than China ever did. A small bit of diplomacy was all that was needed to clear this whole thing up even before the media caught hold of the story but as usual America has to resort to strongarm tactics and bully their way through an international matter.

Boroda> Not sure which SIDE you're talking about but I have an open mind to most things and know that no one government is honest as the other..power corrupts   You just need an open mind to filter the propaganda out sometimes  

[Boroda]

Revvin, I meant a Yugoslavian war discussion in warbirds.general 2 years ago.

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With respect,
    Pavel Pavlov,
    Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS