Why I fly Luftwaffe

[Nath-BDP]

Simply because their aircraft are the most challenging and once you master them they are the best aircraft in the game.

Historical reasons also, ever since I was young I loved the F4U and American planes... later on when I learned more about the Jagdgwaffe what kind of odds the Jagdgwaffe were up against and how they continued to destroy more aircraft than they lost... it just astonished me. I respect the flyers of the LW and how they defended their homeland against such odds on 3 fronts and did exceptionally. Not to mention it spawned the top scoring aces ever and the most skilled.

P.S. Best looking aircraft and camoflage too. ;P

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Geschwaderkommodore JG 54
"Grünherz"

 

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[funked]

Most challenging BAHHH try to keep a 2:1 k:d in the C-47!!!

[StSanta]

Underdog and bad guy is my reason, alongside with what Nath said. I love being a bad guy; I liked the game Tie Fighters more than X-Wing  .

Of course, there isn't the intellectual reward of knowing you fight evil, and it can be hard to motivate yerself that you do it for "a good cause" - but it is fun, and it irritates the allied opportunists  

Plus, there is an ugly raw beauty to the German WWII planes that the VVS and other allies simply do not have.

The Japanese, well too remote for me.

If I had to be allied, I'd fly for the VVS  

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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"

[Hairball]

Pinko.  

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Hairball:
Pinko.  

LOL

Well I fly LW planes because I always (since I first saw it on a book) loved Fw190 looks. I had just the same "problem" with the F4U, but I readed and digged into WWII on the ETO more than about the PTO...that is why I always liked 190 more.

I read about German aces and their records, their problems dealing with a mad superior (goering) and a very numeric superior enemy.

So when I first came to AH I tried the Fw190A8. Of course that was a time when "energy" was an unknown thing for me, so I tried and tried to turn...with the expected results  

So I changed to F4U, the other love I had in the planeset. I flew it a lot until Jg2 got me into the squad (hey Swager...I still remember that friday night in my F4U when I first flew with you guys!  )...then I reverted to the Fw190 ways  , helped by Ripsnort and Weazel...my second mission with Ripsnort ended with a 4 kill streak for me...

I had been only 4 weeks on AH, and when I started I had no idea on how to take off...that streak really hooked me at all into the 190.

And I felt like in home. A plane that was at first look so inferior to the other planes, and that when you mastered it it was able to do amazing things...simply hooked me up. It was a very hard time trying to learn that heavy beast...but was a very rewarding too  .

That was my time with no pedals...of course 109G10 for me was impossible to fly by then...but I too loved its basic quality...a plane that is SO hard to master and that its SO good when you master it...

Simply fell in love with LW fighters. I have flown all and every plane in AH, and I can say that the only other 2 planes I really felt confortable in, were the La5 (like a 109G6 on steroids  ) and the P51D.

I like the looks of the F4U...but I dont fly it anymore  

(said that until I got my rudder pedals I flew ALL the planeset, Spitfires included  )

(and after the pedals, I flew P51 a lot and luv it)  

[Fishu]

Simply nice feeling to streak with Fw190A-8 against those super planes  

If I couldn't fly LW planes, I would fly Yak-9 or P-47  

I love snap shooting with Bf109's, simply nice to kill bogeys with 7-15 shots!
I haven't found other plane which in I could snap shoot as well as in Bf109.
(maybe its just that ammo quantity which makes up for shooting? dunno)

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Simply because their aircraft are the most challenging and once you master them they are the best aircraft in the game.

Historical reasons also, ever since I was young I loved the F4U and American planes... later on when I learned more about the Jagdgwaffe what kind of odds the Jagdgwaffe were up against and how they continued to destroy more aircraft than they lost... it just astonished me. I respect the flyers of the LW and how they defended their homeland against such odds on 3 fronts and did exceptionally. Not to mention it spawned the top scoring aces ever and the most skilled.

P.S. Best looking aircraft and camoflage too. ;P

Fly them all. Master them all. Everyone well hate you, but no enemy shalt thou have.

- Dweeb

[hblair]

109G10, because its challenging. I've read books on Luftwaffe pilots, very interesting stuff. But the reasons I fly the G10 are

1 The challenge
2 The looks
3 Uniqueness (not a popular plane)

[Karnak]

Er..., in my experience the Bf109G-10 is the best plane in AH at this time.  If HTC adds the Fw190D-9 or Spitfire Mk F.XIV that might change, but as it is the G-10 has so much speed and such a climb rate that it allows even a poor pilot like me to hold my own.  Whenever I try the supposed easy rides that people are accused of cheating for using, e.g. Spitfire Mk IX, N1K2, Fw190A-5 or P-51D, I get slaughtered (I have had some success in the Fw190A-5 and N1K2, but nothing compared to the Bf109G-10).

Because of my personal experience with the Bf109G-10 I just can't take any of the whines by the LW fans seriously.  I my opinion they have the best fighter in the game and they still aren't satisfied.

Sisu
-Karnak

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
Er..., in my experience the Bf109G-10 is the best plane in AH at this time.  If HTC adds the Fw190D-9 or Spitfire Mk F.XIV that might change, but as it is the G-10 has so much speed and such a climb rate that it allows even a poor pilot like me to hold my own.  Whenever I try the supposed easy rides that people are accused of cheating for using, e.g. Spitfire Mk IX, N1K2, Fw190A-5 or P-51D, I get slaughtered (I have had some success in the Fw190A-5 and N1K2, but nothing compared to the Bf109G-10).

Because of my personal experience with the Bf109G-10 I just can't take any of the whines by the LW fans seriously.  I my opinion they have the best fighter in the game and they still aren't satisfied.

Sisu
-Karnak

Disagree Karnak. 109G10 has the weaker weapons set in AH excluding C202.30mm not considered here as a weapon of choice for a newbie. (Yak9 has more punch as its guns are better). It has the weakest elevator response in AH, it has abysmal control over 400mph IAS, it has the worse torque effects apart those of the typhoon, and rolls like a pregnant whale.If you damage an elevator or aileron of this plane it wont be no longer an effective fighter as its response would be unexistant...(a roll to the right at low speed is simply impossible without rudder assistance if you have only one aileron).

Not to forguet the little cockpit. Seems good but you cant move inside it.

THe reasons you give for it being the best plane in AH are: speed climbrate and acceleration. You say that with those only you cant be touched. And I must agree with you. If you dont want to fight, the 109G10 will make you untouchable. But happens that most of us want to engage, not only rtb alive. Once engaged in a close combat the 109G10 is easy meat if you play your cards well and the G10 stays fighting (wich, again, most of LW nuts we do).

The G10 simply CANT bounce a con, as compression makes the bounce impossible. Simply CANT engage a buff unless it has a 30mm on board (but a newbie cant fire a 30mm), and is outturned by everything but a Fw190A8.It has the worse range of Any plane in AH...

You can play the "survival" game very well in it, but if you want to engage cons you are in deep trouble. I dont give a ratz's bellybutton about people with 50 K/D in P51 or G10 as I know they stay high and out of touch unless they see a hopelessy alone plane with less E than him.

Sorry,for me the P51D is a way better arena plane than G10. And by much. H2H I admit that 109G10 does hold its own if flown properly, but ask Hangtime how did he felt on a G10 after the duel with hristo.
THe P51 can do fast dive bounces, and pull away, the P51 can win some angles if needed with the wise use of combat flaps, and its speed allows it to chose the terms of engagement...

And P51 acceleration is near that of G10 in a 0G dive. Few people notice it but the dive qualities of the P51 are simply awesome, because its low drag and good hispeed handling.

And I wont say anything about range, as we all know about it.

so for me the P51 is, hands down, best arena plane than G10.
 
Fw190D9 will be a very good plane for AH planeset, but I still think that P51 has the advantage over it. P51 will have better turning (with flaps) than D9, will be faster, and will have more firepower. Only advantages of D9 will be climbrate (and not by much),rollrate and acceleration. For me the P51D will be better, but the gap will be narrowed with the 190.

And dont tell me the 190A5 is better plane than P51. A5 cant dictate the terms of an engagement while P51 can. 190A5 cant disengage a combat when in inferiority while P51 can. A5 manouvers better than P51, but so does too Spitfire IX and it isnt better than P51D.

About SpitXIV I'll break for once my own compromise of not messing with it again...

You first say that 109G10 is the best plane here and then you say that you want a G10 with more and better weapons (2 hispanos and 2 50 cals), with better climbrate at some altitudes,better cockpit visibility, and with the maneouverability and turnrate of the Spitfire IX?.

All planes in AH have advantages and Drawbacks. Spitfire XIV wont have any serious drawback. Its a perk plane.

Sorry if you dont like it, but I feel it that way.


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[AKFokerFoder+]

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[AKFokerFoder+]

My Grandfather and a Great Uncle fought the Germans in WW1. My great uncle was in a Canadian Regiment that stormed Vimy ridge in 1917.

My father was with the SeaBees in WW11 island hopping, nice tropical places like Gualdalcanal (after the fighting) Bouganville (during the fighting) Letye (on the beach).

My squad flys whatever they want too, and I have no problem with a squad mate flying a Kraut Uber plane if he or she wants too. (it seems every SIM likes to beef up the Kraut planes, none worse than Red Baron though) And on squad nights we all try out the same new plane.  If it is a Kraut plane, well I fly it, just to get a feel for the performance. But there is something about an airplane with the Swastika on it that goes against my grain. (I don't feel the same about WW1 planes for some reason, maybe because Germany wasn't Nazi at the time.  But I still prefer to fly Allied).

Since I was a combat Marine in real life, I have a deep love for the F4U. It was a Marines plane, and I will learn to master it    

Your mileage may vary.

BTW I loved Tie Fighter much more than X-Wing.  Heheh the "Secret Order of the Emporer" what a great story line    



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[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
 
Disagree Karnak. 109G10 has the weaker weapons set in AH excluding C202.30mm not considered here as a weapon of choice for a newbie. (Yak9 has more punch as its guns are better). It has the weakest elevator response in AH,

Not to forguet the little cockpit. Seems good but you cant move inside it.

THe reasons you give for it being the best plane in AH are: speed climbrate and acceleration. You say that with those only you cant be touched. And I must agree with you. If you dont want to fight, the 109G10 will make you untouchable. But happens that most of us want to engage, not only rtb alive. Once engaged in a close combat the 109G10 is easy meat if you play your cards well and the G10 stays fighting (wich, again, most of LW nuts we do).

The G10 simply CANT bounce a con, as compression makes the bounce impossible. Simply CANT engage a buff unless it has a 30mm on board (but a newbie cant fire a 30mm), and is outturned by everything but a Fw190A8.It has the worse range of Any plane in AH...

You can play the "survival" game very well in it, but if you want to engage cons you are in deep trouble. I dont give a ratz's bellybutton about people with 50 K/D in P51 or G10 as I know they stay high and out of touch unless they see a hopelessy alone plane with less E than him.

And dont tell me the 190A5 is better plane than P51. A5 cant dictate the terms of an engagement while P51 can. 190A5 cant disengage a combat when in inferiority while P51 can. A5 manouvers better than P51, but so does too Spitfire IX and it isnt better than P51D.

I don't like 30mm even in buff hunt...
I don't hesitate to attack buff even if I have just 2x13mm left.
I did once with 109G-2 engage on buff with just pair of 7.92mm, I emptied all rounds within 100 yards on same spot, didnt go down but I got credited of it as someone killed it before I landed (lol, that was one luck that the pilot didn't shoot back and I were there hanging behind several seconds! my only time ever with 7.92mm and lol..)
That weak elevator response makes up for me at times; It makes up as greater accuracy for me.
btw. my problem with Yak-9 is that it has more sensitive controls over 109  

I've never really had problems with the cockpit views.

I have managed to maintain 4 kills per sortie average in 109s.
Most kills from one sortie has been 13 in 109G10. (heh, I don't own pedals  )

I would trade P51 to P38J anyday  

I tell you that 190A-8 is better than P-51, I have proved that  


and then a note..
** during the make of this message there weren't animals injured or ... **
.. wrong message..
** do not take this as brag message, I am telling of my experience about 109 and 190, from whos experience I could tell if not mine? **

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+:

But there is something about an airplane with the Swastika on it that goes against my grain.

I hope that FAF 'swastika' does not belong into your caterogy of your talking.

[Ripsnort]

Er, G10 challenging?  Lets see, 2nd fastest  plane in Aces High, best climber in Aces high...which means, anytime you can engage, and disengage the enemy at will , half your battle is already won for you....hmmmm, a challenge is a FW190A8, or F4U-1D, most DEFINATELY not the G10.