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Offline NUKE

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« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2005, 01:07:06 AM »
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My view is that it's not reason nor logic. It's faith.


so you have faith in the big bang theory?
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« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2005, 01:10:36 AM »
I'm done with this, at least for tonight.  I'm not going to dance for you any more.
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« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2005, 01:11:44 AM »
We seem to have two choices:

1. all of the matter in the universe created iself out of nothing and at random one day (magic?)

2. all of the matter in the universe was created one day by an intelligent being ( magic?)
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« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2005, 01:12:17 AM »
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That's called religion, not science.

That's what makes this terrible.  This law mandates teaching religion in public schools.  

No, that's not even the terrible part.  The terrible part is that you honestly just don't get it.  Since it's YOUR religion, you just don't see any problem with this and wish that people like me would go away. Despicable, and tragic at the same time.


Just what is my religion?  I'd really like to know.  

What I'm saying is that evolution and the big bang should not be taught as absolute fact (not saying they shouldn't be taught), because they aren't.  In order to believe in the scientific THEORY of the origin of life takes an enormous leap of faith (do you understand that term?).  No more of a leap of faith, in fact, than to believe in intelligent design.
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« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2005, 01:12:57 AM »
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I'm done with this, at least for tonight.  I'm not going to dance for you any more.


You have not even danced. You cannot answer with logic or facts.
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« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2005, 01:22:21 AM »
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I'm done with this, at least for tonight.  I'm not going to dance for you any more.


Of course you are.  You cannot even answer the simplest of questions.

1. Name ONE thing that absolutely proves the scientific origin of life and the big bang.
2. Name ONE thing that absolutely disproves intelligent design.

You see, you adhere to just as much of a cultist religion as the "nut jobs" you make fun of.
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« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2005, 01:27:46 AM »
It's a theory. Seems to be a good one with the information we have.

I'm not a scientist nor am I a theologian, but it seems to me that the biologists are quite content with the theory of evolution and don't worry overmuch about the big bang. It's not their discipline. Same goes for the big bang theorists. That problem is big enough without worrying about evolution as well.

As for the two positions, it seems that science is concerned with the "how" of it all. I believe religion should concern itself with "why".

Lastly, I don't believe that anything that science has discovered to date serves to deny the existence of God. Does what we know today shoot holes all through the Bible? Certainly, but we have to remember that the Bible was intended for simpler people during a simpler time. I don't believe for a second that it is literally true.
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« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2005, 01:35:04 AM »
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Just what is my religion?  I'd really like to know.  

What I'm saying is that evolution and the big bang should not be taught as absolute fact (not saying they shouldn't be taught), because they aren't.  In order to believe in the scientific THEORY of the origin of life takes an enormous leap of faith (do you understand that term?).  No more of a leap of faith, in fact, than to believe in intelligent design.


Ahem... THEORY
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« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2005, 01:35:30 AM »
The bible has nothing to do with my position regarding the universe and it's origin.

Students should be told and taught that evolution is just a theory, not a fact. They should be taught to think with open minds.
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« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2005, 01:35:59 AM »
Sandman is my hero...
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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2005, 01:37:41 AM »
On one drug endused/drunken binge drinking/ wishing i could try peyote night the HIGHER POWER and i sat down and had a chat! he told me basiclly niether is wrong, and they both only saw 1/2 the story......and siad its the same thing between religons.... each only saw 1/2 (well or more, but never all) the True!
Evolution - is just things adapting.........(a natural occurance)
ID - is the same but i didnt adjust every thing.....but i wasnt the one making changes....


never was a big bang, there are alotta big bangs every where.... the universe is never ending and never had a stating point...........the only true starting point (in LIFE) is haveing a conscience!

Big bang -  never  
consnience - given
mental abilty to understand the consience - ID created!

or drugs and beers running thing now need to refeul so i can talk more with HP(no fool no Hewlet Pack....   Higher Power!)



BTW he said he didnt make just us,.... or our planet..... other expierements are all over the universe that he did,   as well as expierements that his expieriments did too...........

(when the heck are we getting a spell checker):O :noid
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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2005, 01:39:28 AM »
Nuke every 100 (and 200 when it's the first of its discipline) level scientific class I've taken in Arizona either hints or briefly mentions it, or goes thru a long layman/bonehead speech on the implications of the material taught being a scientific theory.
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« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2005, 01:40:54 AM »
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The bible has nothing to do with my position regarding the universe and it's origin.

Students should be told and taught that evolution is just a theory, not a fact. They should be taught to think with open minds.


That's the problem with ID. It doesn't lead to an open mind. It's not even a theory. It's not testable, repeatable, nor observable.
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« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2005, 01:43:24 AM »
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That's the problem with ID. It doesn't lead to an open mind. It's not even a theory. It's not testable, repeatable, nor observable.


Quite like the current theory of the origin of life.
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« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2005, 01:43:39 AM »
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The bible has nothing to do with my position regarding the universe and it's origin.

Students should be told and taught that evolution is just a theory, not a fact. They should be taught to think with open minds.



Agree as well as ID , teach both sides...................then you got the athiests and the religous happy..................end of story.........
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