Author Topic: Any FM changes on spits/109? how does 109K-4, G-14 and Spit XVI fly? (Read 1084 times)

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 10, 2005, 05:43:46 PM »

I've flown the Spit 16, the Spit 8 and the Spit 1 since the update.

The Spit 16 is friggin amazing. Not quite as powerful as the spit 14, but a touch more nimbler then it because of clipped wings.

The spit 8 feels a touch faster than the Spit 9 (old spit 9). Though it feels a bit more sluggish control wise. It rolls slower (it seems) and doesn't quite have the turning power of the old 9.

The Spit 1 feels to have a good amount of power back. It's a bit stronger, still rolls poorly and has absolutely great turning characteristics due to the more power in the engine.

1K3 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 10, 2005, 05:55:14 PM »

i tried seafire, it has a climbrate of a Wildcat

lol

Sable · « **Reply #3 on:** November 10, 2005, 05:57:42 PM »

Very quick rough test info:

Mk VIII - 18lbs boost, full fuel - 4000fpm+ initial climb, 336mph deck speed
Mk XVI - 18lbs boost, full fuel - 4000fpm+ initial climb, 342mph deck speed
G14 - 1.7atm boost, full fuel - 4000fpm+ initial climb, 345mph deck speed

Spit Mk. V and Seafire now only have peak boost of 12lbs - initial climb rate is around 3000fpm for the Spit and 2750 for the seafire at full fuel!

1K3 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 10, 2005, 06:05:15 PM »

spit 1 is now doing 301 mph at deck, thanks to 100 octane fuel used in BoB. test done in full fuel

before AH2 spitfire update spit 1 was only doing 290 at deck

2bighorn · « **Reply #5 on:** November 10, 2005, 06:15:52 PM »

New spit models break wings easily. If you pull hard in spit 8 at 350, wings will come off, not on spit 9 though at the same speed and same Gs

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** November 10, 2005, 06:49:31 PM »

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Originally posted by 2bighorn
New spit models break wings easily. If you pull hard in spit 8 at 350, wings will come off, not on spit 9 though at the same speed and same Gs

Seems like that would be a bug. Spits were not known for wing shedding.

Krusty · « **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2005, 06:54:11 PM »

K-4 rolls as slow as 109s in AH1 did. G6 seems fine. G14 also.

Spit16 is uber as hell. Without wep it was pegged at 4000fpm (maybe 3950, by why quibble??) up to the 10k alt I tested it to (before turning back to waste the offline drones, test out feel/responsiveness).

Hope this baby isn't too badly perked, but I predict it will be (no politics, just opinion based on the feel of the plane).

TexMurphy · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2005, 07:01:36 PM »

The XVI is awsome.... though it doesnt turn as well as the other spits but it does roll much better...

You cant fly the XVI like the other spiuts.. should really fly it more on roll and climb...

Tex

Krusty · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2005, 07:19:58 PM »

I dunno, flew like a spit to me!

Tight turns without stalling and very little instability (did they fix the spit14?? I didn't spin out or anything!)

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2005, 09:18:34 PM »

The only wing fragility I've encountered were those spit wings that I've shot.

It seems that the stability of the wing drops quickly as you hit them.

Kurt · « **Reply #11 on:** November 10, 2005, 09:22:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I dunno, flew like a spit to me!

Tight turns without stalling and very little instability (did they fix the spit14?? I didn't spin out or anything!)

Nah, the 14 will still hang you out to dry.... infact with its new horsepower (21 boost now) it might be a little worse in high AOA manuvering. Use care. I got it into an unrecoverable inverted spin in the TA... I haven't had a 14 do that to me since AH1

1K3 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 10, 2005, 09:36:06 PM »

kurt the spit 14 is still +18 boost

Big G · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2005, 10:35:16 PM »

G14 feels like a super heavy G6. The K4 doesn't feel as powerful as the G10, new spits are good though

Widewing · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2005, 11:12:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Sable
Very quick rough test info:

Mk VIII - 18lbs boost, full fuel - 4000fpm+ initial climb, 336mph deck speed
Mk XVI - 18lbs boost, full fuel - 4000fpm+ initial climb, 342mph deck speed
G14 - 1.7atm boost, full fuel - 4000fpm+ initial climb, 345mph deck speed

Spit Mk. V and Seafire now only have peak boost of 12lbs - initial climb rate is around 3000fpm for the Spit and 2750 for the seafire at full fuel!

Flying with 25% gas I saw:
337 mph for Mk.VIII
343 mph for Mk.XVI
359 mph for MK.XIV
369 mph for 109K-4
347 mph for 109G-14
337 mph for 109G-6

Time to Climb for all of these, based on 300 mph at 50 feet for start to 10,000 feet are as follows:
Spit Mk.VIII: 1:44.72
Spit Mk.XVI: 1:38.38
Spit Mk.XIV: 1:44.69
Bf 109K-4: 1:43.19
Bf 109G-14: 1:45.72
Bf 109G-6: 1:53.79

So, the Spitfire Mk.XVI is now the climb king (up to 10k, at least). Its rate of roll is close to the 190A-5. Acceleration was timed and it's a dead heat with the Dora from 200 mph to 300 mph. Combine that with decent speed on the deck and you have a fighter that will be a beast in the MA. I see no reason to keep a perk price on the SpitXIV. If anything, the Mk.XVI should have a small perk to keep it from being over-used.

My regards,

Widewing