Any FM changes on spits/109? how does 109K-4, G-14 and Spit XVI fly?

[WilldCrd]

Originally posted by Big G
G14 feels like a super heavy G6. The K4 doesn't  feel as powerful  as the G10, new spits are good though

hmm must really really mean what he said lol

[Booz]

jugfood, all jugfood

[Big G]

Apologize  for the multiple  posts, don't  know how that happened. I'm using my HP ipaq and maybe it was an issue  there ?
Anyway, Am I right in saying that the K4 will still be the speed king of 10k +  and climb rate for 10k +
cheers
Big G

[Big G]

Apologize  for the multiple  posts, don't  know how that happened. I'm using my HP ipaq and maybe it was an issue  there ?
Anyway, Am I right in saying that the K4 will still be the speed king of 10k +  and climb rate for 10k +
cheers
Big G

[lasersailor184]

I hate to be the doubter Widewing, but those climb times really don't mean anything.


It would be a better test to go from 125 or 150 and then up.  That is really what climbing is about, not just E retention.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by lasersailor184


The Spit 16 is friggin amazing.  Not quite as powerful as the spit 14, but a touch more nimbler then it because of clipped wings.

 

The clipped wings gives it a better roll rate at the expense of turn performance.  Not that's its a major reduction but the clipped wings that allow it to roll so well (almost on par with the FW190-A5) does come at a price.



ack-ack

[Widewing]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
I hate to be the doubter Widewing, but those climb times really don't mean anything.


It would be a better test to go from 125 or 150 and then up.  That is really what climbing is about, not just E retention.

E retention is all about drag...

I measure a combination of zoom climb and steady rate, which gives a better balanced look at combat attributes.

My regards,

Widewing

[lasersailor184]

No, in a combat situation where climb is absolutely needed the two planes would most likely be slow, not going 300 mph.

[1K3]

man the new 109F is sweeeet!  109F can keep up with spits 8, 9, 14, and 16s in turns.  109F is almost like flying a spit!

[Grits]

Originally posted by 1K3
man the new 109F is sweeeet!  109F can keep up with spits 8, 9, 14, and 16s in turns.  109F is almost like flying a spit!

Placebo, its only a new 3D model.

They did not change the flight models, only the 3D model, otherwise they would have noted it. The same thing happened when the 109's first got remodeled to AHII specs last year. It happened when we got the new 3D models for the P-38's. It happened when we got the new 3D models for the P-47's. It happened when we got the new 3D models for the 190's. Now it has happened with the 109's again. None of those times did HT actually change the flight models, its all in the minds of those who perceive differences. If HT changes a flight model it will be listed in the release notes for that patch, if it is not in the release notes, there is no change.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, in a combat situation where climb is absolutely needed the two planes would most likely be slow, not going 300 mph.

I took a 109K-4, 25% fuel. I started the stopwatch on throttle up. Time to reach 2,000 feet from wheels stopped on the runway. I then repeated the test with the Spitfire Mk.XVI, also 25% fuel.

Times were as follows:
Bf 109K-4: 44.59 seconds
Spit Mk.XVI: 44.34 seconds

So, starting from zero speed, the Spitfire still wins. Not by much, just .25 seconds, but it gradually pulls away until the it runs out of WEP.

I have flown the Mk.XVI against the 109K-4 several times. I had no trouble closing on the K-4 in a straight climb from 150 mph.

Both the Mk.VIII and Mk.XIV reach 2,000 feet from a stop in a tad over 45 seconds, or 45.09 and 45.12 respectively.

My regards,

Widewing