Author Topic: New Spitfire Comparison  (Read 5756 times)

Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2005, 04:23:45 PM »
Is that a trick of the light or are those 3-tone camo paint jobs?

Offline Gianlupo

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5154
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2005, 04:52:28 PM »
Trick of the light, I'd say... :confused:
Live to fly, fly to live!

Offline Tails

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 604
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2005, 04:57:07 PM »
I would say a trick of the light. If you look at the light blotches on the empenage around the base of the vertical stab, it's the same shade as the middle blotch.

Damned color film being so uncommon back then.
BBTT KTLI KDRU HGQK GDKA SODA HMQP ACES KQTP TLZF LKHQ JAWS SMZJ IDDS RLLS CHAV JEUS BDLI WFJH WQZQ FTXM WUTL KH

(Yup, foxy got an Enigma to play with)

Offline Guppy35

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 20385
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2005, 05:31:17 PM »
Typical RAF camo, not three tone.  Gray/green on top, sky underneath.

Dan/CorkyJr
8th FS "Headhunters

Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2005, 08:10:49 PM »
I ask because EBB and EBH seem to have a darker "dark" area, as compared to EBD in between them. EBD almost looks as if it has 1 color by the nose and a different color on the tail/stab. I couldn' t be sure, had to ask.

Offline Guppy35

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 20385
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2005, 09:44:48 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Krusty
I ask because EBB and EBH seem to have a darker "dark" area, as compared to EBD in between them. EBD almost looks as if it has 1 color by the nose and a different color on the tail/stab. I couldn' t be sure, had to ask.


EB-B was issued to 41 Squadron in very late December 43 after all the heavy action of the Fall.  EB-D had been with them since early September 43 and had been a part of it.  It's really just a good visual guide to wear and tear on a Spitfire :)

BTW EB-B was the Flight Commander's aircraft too so it clearly got better care.
Dan/CorkyJr
8th FS "Headhunters

Offline MajWoody

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2140
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2005, 10:45:17 PM »
The new cockpits seem WAY too fat & wide to me.
Lets keep the stupid to a minimum.
Old Age and Treachery, will overcome youth and skill EVERYTIME

Offline Kazaa

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8371
      • http://www.thefewsquadron.co.uk
Camo
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2005, 11:23:23 AM »
Wow, I love that camo, thanks for sharing Guppy, I wonder if any modders could do it for the Spitfires.

P.S Nice diagram Badboy, looks like you put A lot of effort into to it, well done.

Kazaa



"If you learn from defeat, you haven't really lost."

Offline Badboy

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1217
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2005, 02:45:47 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I'd be curious to see how it stacks up against the Spit IX as well.
-- Todd/Leviathn


Me too, I'm going to do that comparison over the weekend, I'll post it as soon as its done.

Badboy
The Damned (est. 1988)
  • AH Training Corps - Retired
  • Air Warrior Trainer - Retired

Offline Badboy

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1217
Training
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2005, 02:51:01 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Kazaa
P.S Nice diagram Badboy, looks like you put A lot of effort into to it, well done.


Did it sound familiar to you from training?

Badboy
The Damned (est. 1988)
  • AH Training Corps - Retired
  • Air Warrior Trainer - Retired

Offline Badboy

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1217
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2005, 01:53:05 PM »
Here is the Spitfire comparison including the Mk IX:



It is clear to see that the VIII is superior to the IX at sea level in every respect. The Mk VIII has a better sustained and instantaneous turn, it is faster, and has a better climb rate. The difference between the two is only slight, but the Spit VIII is clearly the new ultimate low level dogfighter :)

Badboy
The Damned (est. 1988)
  • AH Training Corps - Retired
  • Air Warrior Trainer - Retired

Offline Shane

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7648
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2005, 02:12:15 PM »
I disagree.  Spit XVI wins over spit VIII, you cannot simply discount the XVI's ability to roll much quicker.

For the current tour (Nov. 05)

Spit VIII has 890 kills of Spit VXI

Spit XVI has 960 kills of Spit VIII

Personally I'm 20-12 vs Spit VIII's and only 4 of those deaths were in a Spit XVI.   I'm sure a smattering of the kills on the VIII came from a rid elike the La-7 or P-47.

I know the stat itself contains variables, but...  the pilot is the ultimate variable.

just my opinion.
Surrounded by suck and underwhelmed with mediocrity.
I'm always right, it just takes some poepl longer to come to that realization than others.
I'm not perfect, but I am closer to it than you are.
"...vox populi, vox dei..."  ~Alcuin ca. 798
Truth doesn't need exaggeration.

Offline MOSQ

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1198
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2005, 05:48:23 PM »
I think Shane's right, the 16 will trounce the 8, but we'll have to wait and see Badboy's chart!

Offline Badboy

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1217
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2005, 06:15:04 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Shane
I disagree.  Spit XVI wins over spit VIII, you cannot simply discount the XVI's ability to roll much quicker.

I haven't discounted that, I simply haven't considered it. Anyone who is familiar with Boyd's OODA loop will understand the significance of fast transients in air combat, and know that the Spit XVI's roll is important. But that’s another topic, and not the point I was making.

Quote

For the current tour (Nov. 05)

Spit VIII has 890 kills of Spit VXI

Spit XVI has 960 kills of Spit VIII

Of course, that is exactly what you would expect of the two faster Spitfires in the MA, but if you check the start of the thread, you will see I was discussing the Spitfire for use in the DA and purely for duelling.

Quote

Personally I'm 20-12 vs Spit VIII's and only 4 of those deaths were in a Spit XVI.

To kill Spit VIII’s in the MA and get a big score with no deaths would say something about the aircraft you were flying, but it would say a great deal  more about the way it was flown.    

Quote

I'm sure a smattering of the kills on the VIII came from a rid elike the La-7 or P-47.

Doesn’t really matter what you fly, you could rack up big scores flying almost any early war variant against any of the Spits if you flew it smart enough.  

Quote

the pilot is the ultimate variable.

Exactly, and given equal pilots, for low level duelling in the DA, the Spitfire MkV has been superseded as the plane of choice, which was the point of my original message. In the MA the situation is very different, as you know.

Badboy
The Damned (est. 1988)
  • AH Training Corps - Retired
  • Air Warrior Trainer - Retired

Offline zorstorer

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 950
New Spitfire Comparison
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2005, 07:01:10 PM »
Maybe a dumb question ;)  How in the world do you read these charts??  :rolleyes: