Author Topic: What happened to LW? (Read 20989 times)

Wilbus · « **Reply #525 on:** December 21, 2005, 02:30:18 PM »

Rgr Krusty.

I was just answering Kev's post above.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #526 on:** December 21, 2005, 02:59:07 PM »

OK ... maybe the FilmViewer does report extra hits then.

The question still remains what is it about the LW cannons that causes damage effects to be reduced or discarded in online play? Lets assume that the lethality settings are correct, because they are offline. And lets assume we're dealing with the case where the host reports hit sprites so we know it wants to apply damage. And lets assume we're dealing with a case where we know that only cannons are hitting the target.

Does a cannon shell hitting a plane always mean the shell detonates? If not, why not? That's the only thing I can think of - if somehow the shells were hitting like solid rounds that would explain the behavior.

Glasses · « **Reply #527 on:** December 22, 2005, 12:56:42 AM »

Might be that what you see on your FE not neccesarily what gets sent to the server and what gets sent to the other guy.

Of course what it might be considered good enough effect of LW guns offline into the on-line MA doesn't translate much because the AH DM primarily gives much more importance to the MV of the bullet and ROF than the actual effect the bullet has,but if I'm not mistaken MG151s in AH doesn't have a mixed belt like they did in RL so maybe that's the reason it doesn't perform well.

Krusty · « **Reply #528 on:** December 22, 2005, 02:11:28 PM »

So far, HT has mentioned that one individual hit sprite is a packet. A packet could be more than one bullet hitting. That much he's said. So you could see less sprites than there were bullets hitting, but you should never see sprites where bullets never hit, going by that logic.

Hades55 · « **Reply #529 on:** December 22, 2005, 05:09:13 PM »

20mm hit at a b17 3d photo
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/fuselage.htm

The photo at the bottom shows what real 30mm could do....
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/wings.htm

Look that 20mm from a FW, 6th photo....
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/tail.htm

and then look at the bottom photo the hole from a 20mm hit
from a FW.

Thats the real results of LW ammo.

The AHII lethality problems, if we consider that we dont see the same at
hispanolasers,
are *coad* problems.

ps Offline lethality works fine, but when we are online other options
take command and the offline code doesnt work anymore.
The Real Problem is The Online Code ( Settings) controled from the Host.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #530 on:** December 22, 2005, 05:13:29 PM »

HT has said that the lethality settings are the same online as the default for offline. I guess the meta question is: "what variables affect the final lethality values?"

wrag · « **Reply #531 on:** December 23, 2005, 12:57:59 PM »

Well I'm thinkin something is off.

Cause both myself and some of my squadies and others flyin near me in the MA have reported/complained of seeing thier bullets go right through the cons. And the dirt divers are really aggravating. Your closing on their 6 and firing and they dive down UNDERGROUND and come up 2 to 3 K somewhere else??? What's with that?

Packet loss? smoothing code itself? server going south? Server has been acting wierd last day or two.

Sure looked like my 30mm went right through a P38 no damage. Finally got him the 3rd try with a long stream of 30mm. Was about 1/4 of my 30mm ammo though. So I shoot at em and should hit but??? and add in this.......

My connect is sux. Been that way for nearly 2 years I guess. I'm generally about 1/10 of a second behind MOST everyone else in the arena with a connect that averages between 200 and 300 ms. Avoiding their nose in a 1 v 1 can be interesting. On my FE I've manuvered so I can see they have NO SHOT but on theirs.... BANG and I'm down

1/10 of a second is a LONG TIME in the AHII MA. The 109g10 with the nose 20 and gonds kinda made up for that. Was fast and I could usually get some seperation if needed. And I could hit em out to about 600 yds in some cases. Now with the tator gun I nearly have to get sooooo close I almost RAM em to hit. FORGET about HO'n. Now they all seem to LOVE to HO the 109k4. Especially those spit16 dweebs LOL. The g14, IMHO, is just barely, if at all, better then the g6.

Haven't flown for about 3 days now. Takin a break here. AHII for me right now is just TOO FRUSTRATING!

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #532 on:** December 23, 2005, 01:23:12 PM »

I'm pretty convinced now that something is off. I was 110'ing last night and had to HO my way through a bunch of Bish ponies to get pointed back home. Lit up a couple and they didn't even smoke, no parts flew off, nothing. This is happening too often to be a coincidence - and with the 110G there's no doubt I'm using cannons.

This is an annoyance in the MA ... but I can always just fly something else there. In ToD, this could be a real problem.

kevykev56 · « **Reply #533 on:** December 23, 2005, 06:07:06 PM »

I have found a simple fix for the LW aircraft shortfalls.

STOP FLYING LW AIRCRAFT!!

In my frustration of the modeling I have stopped flying them. I will still up them from time to time but only it ends in frustration.

Try any aircraft with 6X50 or better and watch bombers burst into flames without any effort at all. Saw off wings without any difficulty. Pilot wounds are almost automatic.

Call it ballistics, lethality, stall characteristics, weight..etc...etc...etc..or whatever you want. Simple truith is the LW planes in AH stink in comparison to allied planes.

So until something is changed by HTC the LW planes will just be hanger queens for me and pretty much my whole squad.

Everything I have seen in the past, on TV, read in books, from the net, information gathered from even this thread. I simply cannot believe that LW aircraft were historically this bad.

RIP 109F4 RIP my dear friend

F4UDOA · « **Reply #534 on:** December 23, 2005, 08:05:08 PM »

Obviously those B-17's are overmodelled in those pictures. There is no way they actually survived those hits. Especially the one where the entire tail section is cut in half.

It is a vast allied conspiracy.

BTW, Has anyone every compared the K/D of cannon armed fighters to .50 cal fighters in AH?

Here is a quick snip from an interesting artical.

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By the summer of 1943, the Germans had deployed the Focke Wulf FW 190A4, a dedicated bomber killer armed with two 7.9mm machine guns and four 20mm cannons. With all guns functioning, a three-second burst fired about 130 rounds of ammunition. The Luftwaffe estimated that it took an average of 20 hits from the 20mm cannon to destroy a B-17. Analysis of gun camera film revealed that the average German pilot scored hits with only 2 percent of the rounds fired, thus on average, 1000 rounds were fired to score the 20 hits required.

How many hits are you getting?

Crumpp · « **Reply #535 on:** December 23, 2005, 08:32:03 PM »

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It is a vast allied conspiracy.

No there is nothing wrong with anything. It is just whole entire group of people just whining.

Lets squelch it so it does not interfer with our fun in shooting them down.

Luftwhiners..........

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Analysis of gun camera film revealed that the average German pilot scored hits with only 2 percent of the rounds fired, thus on average, 1000 rounds were fired to score the 20 hits required.

On a serious note it was determined that the Luftwaffe needed to attack the bombers in pairs to ensure an immediate shootdown. Additionally IIRC the belting was changed as well.

All the best,

Crumpp

Urchin · « **Reply #536 on:** December 23, 2005, 11:27:01 PM »

I really think it is the guns more than anything that keep people from flying the LW planes. Well, and the view on the 109s is atrocious now, the 190 I seem to have gotten used to (wasnt having problems in H2H anyway).

For those of us that are more aggressively inclined, and like to fight the other guys fight, those guns are a handicap and a half.

Had a decent fight with a guy in a H2H room, he was in a Spit 16, I was in an A5. He screwed up, I landed a quick snapshot along the spine of his plane from the back of the cockpit to the tail with my 20s. No damage. Next revolution of the scissors, he gets a snapshot on me, blam blam, tails gone.

Thanks, GG.

It isn't that the plane is horrible. It has slightly below average manueverability, if you were to ask me. But when you combine that with slightly below average firepower, there is no reason at all to waste your time in one.

Still not certain they are modelled incorrectly though, I wasn't having to much trouble with the H2H guys. Granted, the MA/Da is a completely different ballgame, but if the plane was as bad as you all suggest, I wouldn't even be able to come close to hanging with anyone.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #537 on:** December 24, 2005, 12:35:16 AM »

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Originally posted by kevykev56
I have found a simple fix for the LW aircraft shortfalls.

STOP FLYING LW AIRCRAFT!!

....

Except for one important thing: TOD.

That's why I feel some urgency about getting this resolved. The 109 and 190 have to be competetive (including "ease of use" to some degree) for that to be balanced.

Hades55 · « **Reply #538 on:** December 24, 2005, 10:10:44 AM »

Merry Christmas all.
Sure it shows how good plane was the B17, but the point is
imagine this hole in a fighter, and Then lets talk about lethality.

What fighter can survive one or two hits like this ?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #539 on:** December 24, 2005, 10:41:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Hades55

Merry Christmas all.
Sure it shows how good plane was the B17, but the point is
imagine this hole in a fighter, and Then lets talk about lethality.

What fighter can survive one or two hits like this ?

How bout a Spitfire?

Pilot brought her home.