Author Topic: What happened to LW? (Read 21589 times)

Mime · « **on:** November 22, 2005, 04:49:02 AM »

listen to me for a sec

I have played this game since beta. In the past 2 years or so it seems like all the allied planes have been increasingly made easier to fly (incredible almost anti gravity, turn radius increasing, little drag flaps and cockpits with very little obstructions) while axis planes (specifically the LW fleet) have only become worse. The 190A series flies the same as it always has, like a pig. For example the P47 used to be much more like the 190 in terms of flight model -- they were almost an even match in a 1on1 situation with the P47 being slightly more manueverable. Everything has changed now and the P47 no longer difficult to fly. The P51 also used to be much more difficult to maintain around the stall, but now it flies like it resists gravity. Both the 190 and 109 series haven't changed at all in any FM respects from what I can tell, while the competition has for some reason become a fleet of EZ Mode planes. And to mention the fact that the 190 and 109 cockpits after revision have become so obstructive to render them increasingly harder to aim with, while the older Allied cockpits became slimmer or retained the older cockpit bar dimensions. I don't understand this. How do the Axis planes get worse and the Allied the same or get clearer views?

I admit I do not have any technical tests on how the planes performed in the game from the various updates, but it is just a way I have felt the flight models and cockpit models change (or lack thereof in the case of the LW birds) throughout Aces High.

Has anyone else noticed this too?? Maybe it is just me.

Thx for reading...
NathBDP

Wilbus · « **Reply #1 on:** November 22, 2005, 05:05:06 AM »

I agree with much of what you say but there really is no use discussing it anymore.

This is just another thread on list, another one that will be labeled an LW whine thread.

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** November 22, 2005, 05:08:26 AM »

I'd like to see the Fw190s and Bf109s get their FMs redone. The Fw190s I understand are way overweight at this point. The Bf109s are draggier than they should be and not all getting the power they should.

stegor · « **Reply #3 on:** November 22, 2005, 05:10:09 AM »

I think I can anticipate some answers:

-Someone will say that a whine has been recorded
-Someone will say you are not forced to use axis planes
-Someone will say you are conspiring against the community
-Someone will say you are trying to reduce their freedom to make impossible ACM in that planes.... and they pay for that
-Someone will say its a market law......
-Someone will say in RL allied planes were way better than axis....

-Someone will say this aint RL......couldnt care less of FM, they need only a target and a button....
-Someone ...(guess who?) will ignore you......

As you can see, nothing new under this sun.....

I'll keep on flying 109,190,and 205, with all that follows, trying to fill the gap with ability and experience.......and needless to say I agree completely on your analysis;)

straffo · « **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2005, 05:26:17 AM »

A whine has been recorded
You are not forced to use axis planes
You are conspiring against the community (well actually it's the "contraire"

)
You are trying to reduce my freedom to make impossible ACM in that planes.... and I pay for that
Its a market law......
In RL allied planes were way better than axis.... (sure

)
This aint RL......couldnt care less of FM, they need only a target and a button....
-Someone ...(guess who?) will ignore you..... me

What do I win ?

Wilbus · « **Reply #5 on:** November 22, 2005, 06:45:41 AM »

Nothing Straffo as you only copied the text above

Well said Stegor, pretty much said it all.

I too will keep flying axis planes, 190's and 109's mostly and everything that comes with them.

straffo · « **Reply #6 on:** November 22, 2005, 06:54:35 AM »

Nothing ?

I'm a consultant you can't imagine how much those 5 minutes cost !

stegor · « **Reply #7 on:** November 22, 2005, 07:43:46 AM »

hehe...Wilbus you anticipated me by five minutes.... but I see we are walking the same direction

for Straffo:

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I'm a consultant you can't imagine how much those 5 minutes cost !

hey...didn't you read point n°7 : this aint RL, boy

wrag · « **Reply #8 on:** November 22, 2005, 08:21:24 AM »

Ahh someone else has noticed the increased drag!!!

I used to have to input allot of rudder and side slip the 109's as I was coming in for a landing but now it seems about all you need to do is cut throttle.

I don't care much for the 109k4 or the 109g14. IMHO neither are much good!

Hate that 30mm tater gun BIG TIME!

The ponys seem to have gotten faster!! and is it possible that they turn even better ........... well???

Saw a test flight on the g10 in an aviation book. Seems the g10 actually out turned the pony according to the 2 guys testing em. The pony was faster if it dove of course.

If this was for TOD I'm certainly not looking forward to it.

Larry · « **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2005, 08:32:41 AM »

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Originally posted by wrag
Ahh someone else has noticed the increased drag!!!

I used to have to input allot of rudder and side slip the 109's as I was coming in for a landing but now it seems about all you need to do is cut throttle.

I don't care much for the 109k4 or the 109g14. IMHO neither are much good!

Hate that 30mm tater gun BIG TIME!

The ponys seem to have gotten faster!! and is it possible that they turn even better ........... well???

Saw a test flight on the g10 in an aviation book. Seems the g10 actually out turned the pony according to the 2 guys testing em. The pony was faster if it dove of course.

If this was for TOD I'm certainly not looking forward to it.

The old K4(G10) could out turn the 51D I did it many times in the CT. Dont know about the new one

wrag · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2005, 08:41:15 AM »

Hmmm...........

I seem to recall if the pony driver knew his pony you couldn't out turn that pony! thinkin the ones you out turned kept their speed and didn't drop flaps!

IMHO now the pony can stall fight a 109 very EZ!

Mister Fork · « **Reply #11 on:** November 22, 2005, 08:47:02 AM »

I am going to re-do the engine acceleration tests again for the Bf109 series. That will put some facts to your claims about drag.

Vo=200mph
Vf=300mph

a = (vf - vo)/t

and I'll compare those numbers to the old tests I did last year.

DipStick · « **Reply #12 on:** November 22, 2005, 08:48:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Larry
The old K4(G10) could out turn the 51D I did it many times in the CT. Dont know about the new one

You never fought Morph, Nomak, WT or others who can "actually" fly it.

Wilbus · « **Reply #13 on:** November 22, 2005, 08:52:08 AM »

Hehe yup we're going the same direction

~~The P51 has always been able to outturn the G10/K4 in AH when flown the right way thanks to combat flaps.~~

Larry · « **Reply #14 on:** November 22, 2005, 08:52:17 AM »

If you want a uber LW plane try the 110G with only 4 guns. It turns better then a P51B and the cannons ZOMFG. Only thing bad about it is the stall once you learn how to control it its a beast.