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Offline beet1e

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« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2005, 06:00:07 AM »
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So, like, is anyone going to tell me how the book ends ... people always do that with movies.
Why? Do you want to make sure it ends how you want it to end before you commit to making a purchase? Come on, Rotax, you're more intelligent than to be considering a book purchase only if the book tells you what you want to hear, and reinforces your existing beliefs. I would expect that from guys like Masher and Jack-all, but not you.

Take the plunge! Order BOTH books, as I have. I'm going to read both sides of the story, and so should you.

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« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2005, 06:18:55 AM »
:) They did a 3 part series here in the U.S. of A. on this theory and had the author on . It was either Discovery or A&E. Can`t remember. Watched parts of it. retty boring , especialy the parts after they brought authorities on the subject to the show and started shooting down the whole basis of the theory. Was just about as many theories and ideas on the subject one way as there were the other. Pretty Ho Himmish stuff.
Always some doomsdayers and teeth gnashers. Always have been , always will be. Either way there is not a whole lot that you can do about it as an individual on a large scale basis..
Everyday , seems like, there is someone coming up with ideas to take care of problems before they arise. An example would be the trend in autos to develop more horsepower from less fuel, etc.
Beet, you appear to be on the verge of a tantrum or holding your breath till you turn blue. :)
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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2005, 08:28:03 AM »
ghost...no... I simply feel that all of the data is so conflicting that reading up on the subject is simple mental masterbation for masochists or manic depressives at this point.

I think it is laughable to predict our fuel reseves at this point when they are somewhere between 20-1000 years in the future.... I think that predcicting what techknowodgy will be able to do 20 years in the future is like someone in 1890 saying that powered flight would be impossible and impractical for at least 100 years or...

Someone in 1960 saying that the ice age is a certainty by the year 1990... or... someone in 1940 saying that milk is bad for you or someone in 1950 saying it is good for you or someone in 1960 saying it is bad or someone in 1970 saying it is good or someone in 1980 saying it is bad or...

and how bout that butter?  

As explained... a house now can be self sufficient in electricity for about 40k additional initial cost....  the japs are reusing fuel rods.... all sorts of inovative new ideas in the energy field are going on as we speak...

The books of doom and gloom convieniently ignore all of this of course.

and... the same people moaning the most here get on huge airliners that spew millions of pounds of filth and greenhouse gasses every year.. and they do it..... to take a vacation!

laughable.

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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2005, 09:19:35 AM »
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and... the same people moaning the most here get on huge airliners that spew millions of pounds of filth and greenhouse gasses every year.. and they do it..... to take a vacation!

Actually a car emits twice as much CO2 per passenger per mile than a huge airliner. Of course there's lots do be done in airplanes aswell. A good way to start would be to switch back to turboprops in commuter traffic. Also it doesn't matter what the purpose of the travel is as long as it happens.

Anyway this topic isn't about CO2 emissions, it's about peak oil.
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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2005, 09:29:53 AM »
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Ghost, that describes a considerable number of people on this board! What I find funny is that when 3-4 of these tards disagree with my opinions, which have been formed by reading newspaper articles reporting the findings of leading world scientists, and books like the one you have suggested, one of the tards for whom 4 paragraphs amounts to a "wall of text" and who therefore doesn't read much will assert that I have been "forced into a corner"! :lol


Beetle, you really are a card.  Do your friends call you "Ace"?  They really should you know.

I will tell you what the fundamental difference is between Europe and America.  Anyone who reads this board can see it.  You Euros look up and say the sky is falling.  We Americans look up and say the sky is no longer the limit.

Physics got us into this problem, when tens of thousands of years ago, a physicist named Jo-Jo discovered how to control fire.   She was, no doubt, one of your ancestors.  How sad it is to see how far her descendants have declined in their pursuit of knowledge.

You want clean power, and lot's of it, I'll give you a possible solution.   The worlds major players are constructing a proof of concept fusion reactor in France.  They are funding it to the tune of $16 billion, spread out over twenty years.  Apparently our governments think we have twenty years.  I *know* you sure don't.  Why aren't you Greens lobbying those government to increase funding and decrease the time!?  Too much of a bother?  Too comfy sitting at home reading you anti-American books?  What a hypocrite...

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« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2005, 10:29:54 AM »
If the crap ever hits the fan..   energy can be produced thru nuclear , geothermal, and solar to create current to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. (5th grade science)

this doesn't even disrupt the supply chain and ease of use of portable energy (gasoline , hydrogen cells etc..)

this technology when combined with the oil shale / sands /gas reserves in north america would save the day.. (at least my life time)

the only thing holding this back is the oil companies themselves.  energy shortages are highly profitable, California / enron and the current gouging for the hurricanes should be a wake up call as proof of concept..

congress says wtf. youll bankrupt america thru inflation.. and now look at the prices, biggest drop in the history of petrol history..

Like magic the cost of energy receeds..


DoctorYo


PS the Russian reserves are the largest in the world but the cost to tap it is not as profitable as playing the whole world for shortages.  Most businessmen don't leave money on the table.  Hence all these you need a Humvee to make up for your small _____ !!! ----------    >   feet commercials..

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« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2005, 10:54:19 AM »
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Why aren't you Greens lobbying those government to increase funding and decrease the time!?

When have the greens done anything sensible!? You seem to believe that all who believe there might be a oil production peak in the near future are "greens". I'm as far away from a green as you can be, I actually loathe them. I just tend to believe the economists, scientists and engineers on this one.

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« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2005, 11:26:55 AM »
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When have the greens done anything sensible!? You seem to believe that all who believe there might be a oil production peak in the near future are "greens". I'm as far away from a green as you can be, I actually loathe them. I just tend to believe the economists, scientists and engineers on this one.


You misunderstand me on this one.  I know energy production is going to peak.  As DocYo pointed out, this can be easily derived by 5th grade science.  What we don't know is when it will peak.   That knowledge is critical if we are going to make an intelligent, verses emotional, decision on what to do about it.

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« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2005, 11:46:59 AM »
BTW, what does this book recommend we do about it ... anyone?

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« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2005, 08:49:29 AM »
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BTW, what does this book recommend we do about it ... anyone?
Well read it and find out, you dolt! My copy was waiting for me when I got home this afternoon. :)  BTW rotax, the only card in here is Jack-all.
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When have the greens done anything sensible!? You seem to believe that all who believe there might be a oil production peak in the near future are "greens". I'm as far away from a green as you can be, I actually loathe them. I just tend to believe the economists, scientists and engineers on this one. - mora
I agree entirely, and I don't like the Greens. But many Americans on this board don't see anything green - they see everything in monochrome. Black, or White. If you're not one thing, you must be the complete opposite (of that thing). If you're not at one end of the spectrum, you are therefore at the opposite end of the spectrum. No shades of grey in between.

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« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2005, 09:02:17 AM »
everything is either black or white in the long run... there is no shades of gray.

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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2005, 11:50:36 AM »
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I agree entirely, and I don't like the Greens. But many Americans on this board don't see anything green - they see everything in monochrome. Black, or White. If you're not one thing, you must be the complete opposite (of that thing). If you're not at one end of the spectrum, you are therefore at the opposite end of the spectrum. No shades of grey in between.


Okay, maybe we have been hip shooting past each other, because each thought the other was an extremist.  I am not in favor of burning off the worlds remaining fossil fuels, over a weekend vacation in Las Vegas.  You are not in favor of starving children, to save penguins.  I am looking forward to discussing common sense solutions.

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« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2005, 11:30:17 AM »
but.... beet is in favor of burning up the worlds remaining fossil fuels in jets and boats and other things that allow him to go on vacation...

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« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2005, 12:33:30 PM »
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but.... beet is in favor of burning up the worlds remaining fossil fuels in jets and boats and other things that allow him to go on vacation...

lazs


But.........but.............b ut...........He is reading a book about it. that will make it all better. :)
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« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2005, 01:25:42 PM »
vacation good... burning tires and hot rodding around bad?   Everyone here has hobbies that are probly not the best for the environment..

real men don't try to nanny other men into forsakeing their hobbies to make themselves feel better about what they do.

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