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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2005, 05:58:34 AM »
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Arent the IRA Catholics?


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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2005, 06:17:10 AM »
Seagoon, once again you misrepresent for your own ends the concept of jihad as it is understood by the vast majority of muslims on the planet.

So you studied comparative religion and history at university? So what? Reproducing the junk you come up with would get you a swift U grade at any decent establishment.

So, to the nitty gritty:

Statement in response to the 9/11 attacks by Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS - Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:

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“The undersigned, leaders of Islamic movements, are horrified by the events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the United States which resulted in massive killing, destruction and attack on innocent lives. We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic norms. This is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur'an: 'No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another' (Surah al-Isra 17:15).”


Fatwa by Shaykh Muhammed Sayyid al-Tantawi, imam of al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, Egypt

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“Attacking innocent people is not courageous, it is stupid and will be punished on the day of judgement. ... It’s not courageous to attack innocent children, women and civilians. It is courageous to protect freedom, it is courageous to defend oneself and not to attack.”


Wrote Abdel-Mo'tei Bayyoumi, al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy, Cairo, Egypt:
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“There is no terrorism or a threat to civilians in jihad ...”


Statement by the Egyptian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood in refrence to 9/11

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We strongly condemn such activities that are against all humanist and Islamic morals. ... we condemn and oppose all aggression on human life, freedom and dignity anywhere in the world.”


Shaykh Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah, a leading shia imman in Lebanon wrote in reference to 9/11:

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“Beside the fact that they are forbidden by Islam, these acts do not serve those who carried them out but their victims, who will reap the sympathy of the whole world. ... Islamists who live according to the human values of Islam could not commit such crimes.”


Abdulaziz bin ‘Abdallah Al-Ashaykh, chief mufti of Saudi Arabia wrote in reference to 9/11:

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"..the recent developments in the United States including hijacking planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood, constitute a form of injustice that cannot be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts. Secondly: any Muslim who is aware of the teachings of his religion and who adheres to the directives of the Holy Qur'an and the sunnah (the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad) will never involve himself in such acts, because they will invoke the anger of God Almighty and lead to harm and corruption on earth”, and also.."You must know Islam’s firm position against all these terrible crimes. The world must know that Islam is a religion of peace and mercy and goodness; it is a religion of justice and guidance…Islam has forbidden violence in all its forms. It forbids the hijacking airplanes, ships and other means of transport, and it forbids all acts that undermine the security of the innocent."


Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, chairman of the Sunna and Sira Council, Qatar, wrote, in response to the 9/11 attacks:

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Islam holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers the attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, this is backed by the Qur’anic verse which reads: ‘Who so ever kills a human being [as punishment] for [crimes] other than manslaughter or [sowing] corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and who so ever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind’


Dr. Abdelouahed Belkeziz, Secretary-General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference wrote in response to the 9/11 attacks:

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Following the bloody attacks against major buildings and installations in the United States yesterday, Tuesday, September 11, 2001, Dr. Abdelouahed Belkeziz, secretary-general of the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), stated that he was shocked and deeply saddened when he heard of those attacks which led to the death and injury of a very large number of innocent American citizens. Dr. Belkeziz said he was denouncing and condemning those criminal and brutal acts that ran counter to all covenants, humanitarian values and divine religions foremost among which was Islam.”


Statement from the Organization of the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers following the 9/11 attacks:
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“The Conference strongly condemned the brutal terror acts that befell the United States, caused huge losses in human lives from various nationalities and wreaked tremendous destruction and damage in New York and Washington. It further reaffirmed that these terror acts ran counter to the teachings of the divine religions as well as ethical and human values, stressed the necessity of tracking down the perpetrators of these acts in the light of the results of investigations and bringing them to justice to inflict on them the penalty they deserve, and underscored its support of this effort. In this respect, the Conference expressed its condolences to and sympathy with the people and government of the United States and the families of the victims in these mournful and tragic circumstances.”


The Islamic author Nuh Ha Mim Keller wrote thus:
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Muslims have nothing to be ashamed of, and nothing to hide, and should simply tell people what their scholars and religious leaders have always said: first, that the Wahhabi sect has nothing to do with orthodox Islam, for its lack of tolerance is a perversion of traditional values; and second, that killing civilians is wrong and immoral.”


Bernard Haykel, assistant professor of Islamic law at New York University said:
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“According to Islamic law there are at least six reasons why Bin Laden's barbaric violence cannot fall under the rubric of jihad: 1) Individuals and organizations cannot declare a jihad, only states can; 2) One cannot kill innocent women and children when conducting a jihad; 3) One cannot kill Muslims in a jihad; 4) One cannot fight a jihad against a country in which Muslims can freely practise their religion and proselytize Islam; 5) Prominent Muslim jurists around the world have condemned these attacks and their condemnation forms a juristic consensus (ijma') against Bin Laden's actions (This consensus renders his actions un-Islamic); 6) The welfare and interest of the Muslim community (maslaha) is being harmed by Bin Laden's actions and this equally makes them un-Islamic.”


That's just a fraction of the quotes I can supply. Now, you can persist in portraying radical islam as a threat to the west on the scale of the Nazis or the communists, but in my view you will never be able to substantiate that claim because it is a position rooted in fantasy made easier to swallow by a large helping of fear heaped on by people like yourself who should know better.

The only argument you have is to point at the actions of a relative few on the lunatic fringe and claim falsely that they represent the majority. That really is all you have.

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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2005, 06:34:39 AM »
Well he also has his bigotry doesn't he?

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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2005, 07:38:33 AM »
momus et al  the moslems feel free to lie to you and I.  you euros strike me as a wad of neville chamberlains waving l'il pieces of papers up on blustery days.  you'll never get it, you never have gotten it.  the religion is rotten to the core.

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« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2005, 07:54:29 AM »
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 you euros strike me as a wad of neville chamberlains waving l'il pieces of papers up on blustery days.  
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« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2005, 08:19:25 AM »
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I think all religious fanatics are nuttz.


How long did it take you to come to this "obvious" conclusion?

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« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2005, 08:21:59 AM »
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Why post that?!!  OF COURSE THEY'LL DENOUNCE IT in public!!!!!

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« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2005, 08:56:07 AM »
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momus et al  the moslems feel free to lie to you and I.  you euros strike me as a wad of neville chamberlains waving l'il pieces of papers up on blustery days.  you'll never get it, you never have gotten it.  the religion is rotten to the core.


Apart from a single off-topic WW2 reference what else have you got? I mean, if the central hypothesis under discussion that one and a half billion muslims do indeed support violent struggle against non-believers is actually true, you should be knee deep in examples to support your case. What are they?

Oh, and by the way, Chamberlain may have got it wrong at first but he still saw the light a full 4 years before your bunch. Funny that isn't it?

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Why post that?!! OF COURSE THEY'LL DENOUNCE IT in public!!!!!


I'm sure you believe they are insincere but what actual evidence do you have support that view?

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« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2005, 09:09:25 AM »
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I'm sure you believe they are insincere but what actual evidence do you have support that view?
a millinea and a half of on the job training isn't enough for you?  amazing!!!

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« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2005, 09:29:29 AM »
Time to start up the internment camps again...this time for the followers of Islam (I'd say "the evil followers of Islam", but that would be redundant, wouldn't it?).  Storch, you'd make a good warden, so can I pencil you in?  GOD BLESS AMURRIKAH!  DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!!
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« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2005, 09:34:00 AM »
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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2005, 09:44:00 AM »
So we agreed that Christians are good and Muslims are bad?
They didn't bother anyone 'till CCCP-Afghan war,and yeah, they never had crusades........

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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2005, 09:49:03 AM »
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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2005, 09:56:32 AM »
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I'm sure you believe they are insincere but what actual evidence do you have support that view?


The Egyptians held the Hebrews as slaves for 5,000+ years.   Now go on another "Forum Obscurity Lull".

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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2005, 09:59:13 AM »
Errr... I don't think those were muslims Karaya :)
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