Memo To Anti-War Protestor's

[Cabby44]

Quote:

"To call peace protestors anti-american now is another sweeping and unfair generalization."

Whatever.  But it's nonetheless true.  And BTW, not all Liberals are Leftists.  How does one "work for Peace"??  The only thing i know of in all of human history that "works for peace" is to be the "baddest m*fer in the valley".  

Otherwise, there wouldn't even BE a "Peace Corps" for you to join.

Comprende??

[leonid]

Hi guys!

Hey, you know what I'm about, so I won't bore you with the usual.  Just logging my vote of dissent in this thread  

[dtango]

Ispar:

I think you've missed the point.  The article doesn't call anti-war protestors un-american, rather it points out that they are sentilmentalists with little grasp on reality and little understanding of the eventual horrifying consequences that result from a misguided sense of self-righteousness.

I do not see the bull in the article.  Infact it is dead on in the analysis as we actually look back at the reality of history.  

#1 It is a documented fact that the North Vietnamese and Ho Chi Minh counted on the war not being won or lost in the jungles of Vietnam but in the perceived public opinion of USA.  There is much credence in the analysis that the anti-war protests certainly steeled the North Vietnamese resolve and gave them hope for their eventual victory on this battlefield.

#2 It is a documented fact of the horrifying results from the aftermath of the North Vietnamese victory.  The monstrous humanitarian catastrophe that occurred after the communist took control was certainly a reality for hundreds of thousands if not millions of vietnamese and cambodians people.  This is the cold hard consequence which certainly is no bull especially those who were mercilessly killed after "peace" was made.  

Tango, Sargeant
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Of all the things in the world, ask not that events should happen as you will,
but let your will be that events should happen as they do, and you will have peace.
-------Epictetus, Roman Stoic Philosopher-------

[easymo]

With the constant liberal propaganda that Hollywood puts out its not hard to see how some of these people never had a chance.  Some people just don't have it in them to think for themselves.

  Tonight I watched West Wing.  This T.V. show was surprisingly well written, considering the short amount of time they had to prepare it.

  It was followed immediately by a Law and Order episode.  Where Vietnam vets were depicted as baby killers as usual  You would think even Hollywood hacks could come up with a new way to insult us.

  Imagine a young guy watching these shows.  First you get the flag waving all for one and one for all.  Followed by the, just don't hurt anybody message.  If you were that kid how would you react.

[ 10-03-2001: Message edited by: easymo ]

[Eagler]

I watched left er I mean west wing too. First time as I thought it'd be something patriotic. If that was the best they could do, they shouldn't have wasted their time or mine. Seems it was written for the 16 to 24 year old libs who are trying hard to swallow all of this country pride stuff born on 9/11. Funny how they tried to walk the line throughout the entire show with good cop - bad cop action on every point not taking an anti anything stand on jack...
 Should have watched the Amazing Race or went to bed an hour earlier....

[ispar]

I will concede that some liberals go beyond leftist into the "maniacal" category. I won't even bother to explain working for peace to you, you would refuse to understand me, even you were capable of it. Just as an example, the Cold War was a great deterrent to international conflict. But did that make it good? Nope.

The US is the meanest mother****er in the valley, but we still manage to find ourselves getting into wars all the time.

I won't even bother with the anti-american thing. Suffice to say you are very wrong.


Dtango, I see your point, but I fail to see how the article did not make that statement. Gonna dispute it a little bit, though. It's not that many of the protestors have little grasp of reality (though many of them don't, true) but that they all have the "herd" mentality as their sole motivator. They are incorrect in thinking that the best way to convince the government to hold off is to gather in big groups on a college campus and scream anti-war rhetoric. Just gets people like you guys pissed at 'em.

Almost like the peace movement equivalent of PETA.


 

Originally posted by dtango:
Ispar:

I think you've missed the point.  The article doesn't call anti-war protestors un-american, rather it points out that they are sentilmentalists with little grasp on reality and little understanding of the eventual horrifying consequences that result from a misguided sense of self-righteousness.

I do not see the bull in the article.  Infact it is dead on in the analysis as we actually look back at the reality of history.  

#1 It is a documented fact that the North Vietnamese and Ho Chi Minh counted on the war not being won or lost in the jungles of Vietnam but in the perceived public opinion of USA.  There is much credence in the analysis that the anti-war protests certainly steeled the North Vietnamese resolve and gave them hope for their eventual victory on this battlefield.

#2 It is a documented fact of the horrifying results from the aftermath of the North Vietnamese victory.  The monstrous humanitarian catastrophe that occurred after the communist took control was certainly a reality for hundreds of thousands if not millions of vietnamese and cambodians people.  This is the cold hard consequence which certainly is no bull especially those who were mercilessly killed after "peace" was made.  

Tango, Sargeant
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   (Image removed from quote.)  

Of all the things in the world, ask not that events should happen as you will,
but let your will be that events should happen as they do, and you will have peace.
-------Epictetus, Roman Stoic Philosopher-------

[dtango]

ispar:

"Insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results."

I believe that is also one of the points of the article.  We have seen the horrific results of pursuing "peace" unilaterally in Vietnam.  Do the anti-war protestors expect different results now by pursuing unilateral "peace"?

All decent human beings desire to have peace and I commend you for your realization that working toward peace is a sustained effort.

But there is a time when avoiding armed conflict is completely wrong.  There is also a time when taking moderation in action is wrong.

Pursuing peace is predicated on the foundation that you are working with rational and decent human beings.  In this you stand a reasonable chance of understanding the differences and grievances and can come to terms.  

But it is a mistake to believe that the entirety of humankind lives by this inherent nature of goodness.  Let history as recent as the Sept. 11 terrorists attacks be a lesson to us that there are those who belong to the human race who plot the deaths of innocents, and whose grand schemes result in the depravation and oppression of their fellow man.  They cannot be described in any other way than being the Wicked.  With these people their is no other recourse but to destroy them for they are working to destroy you and your fellow man.  

Let the recent terrorists dispell the myth that with these people can you reason with for many of them lived in this and other free lands of the world, tasted the fruits of freedom and were not turned or deterred from the evil intent that clutched their souls.


Tango, Sargeant
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Of all the things in the world, ask not that events should happen as you will,
but let your will be that events should happen as they do, and you will have peace.
-------Epictetus, Roman Stoic Philosopher-------

[batdog]

Chamberlin(sp?) sacrificed alot for peace. Ask Europe the price they paid and the historical reprecussions...


xBAT

[blur]

Originally posted by Toad:
"The blood of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, and tens of thousands of Americans, is on the hands of the anti-war activists who prolonged the struggle and gave victory to the Communists."

LOL, I’ve come across some pretty twisted right-wing logic on this board but this one is a real prize.

Let me rephrase:
“If all the peaceniks were eliminated we could wage war in peace!”

I love it! Keep ‘em comin’.  

[Eagler]

Originally posted by blur:


LOL, I’ve come across some pretty twisted right-wing logic on this board but this one is a real prize.

Let me rephrase:
“If all the peaceniks were eliminated we could wage war in peace!”

I love it! Keep ‘em comin’.  

I read it = if the country was united, politicians would have let the military fight the war as a war is supposed to be fought, as the politicians would not have to worry about losing re-election. Instead they stayed on the fence due to a large anti-war voting block thus assuring our defeat...

[Gunthr]

Demonstrations do have an impact on public opinion. That is why demonstrations are often staged for the cameras - they can be used as propaganda. Propaganda has been used as a weapon in war for some time. I don't see any twisted logic here...

[batdog]

What cracks me up is the US has yet to fire a shot and the "anti-war" morons are jumping already.

 We're not going to hit Kabul and wipe out mass civilian targets... it wont get fire bombed like Berlin did in WW2. When we hit it'll be much more surgical in nature.

 The "war" isnt going to be just miltary in nature. Its been stated that it will be one of economic function, politcal as well as miltaristic in nature.

 Personaly I have no sympathy for any dumb bellybutton that wants us to hold back from killing the SOB that killed 5000+ unexpecting people.
I personaly hope we naplum his camp and then get to witness the bastard burning like a marshmellow w/legs.

 xBAT

[Toad]

Blur,

That's a quote from ex-peacenik Horowitz. Did you read the article?

Why don't you contact him and set him straight. I'm sure he'll appreciate your call.

[mrfish]

i saw one of those college protests at san francisco state...it was in front of the "ceasar chavez student center" which is located at the far end of "malcom x plaza" no kidding.  

most of the people out there were protesting as a sort of accessory for their look.

in other words they had the white boy dreadlocks, the pachouli oil and the tye die dad bought for them in an attempt to be cool last visitation weekend, so what else will you do but protest?

around town the counter-protestors were just as boring and predictable.

it's like everyone gets a program for their head called liberal 1.0 or conservative 1.0 and just gets updates throughout their lives.

that's why everyone spits out the same tired garbage.....everytime a war comes around, regardless of the circumstances, liberals will be out there protesting because they think they are supposed to.

likewise conservatives will be keeping gmc in business and coming up with tear-jerking, earthy, tough-sounding one-liners like "a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do..." <you gotta kinda shuffle and get that 1000 yd stare when you say that for maximum impact btw>

imagine a conservative who opposed a war for good reasons and went to protest....or a liberal who felt war was just! it's rare because everyone is so typecast.

we're really a nation of tired archetypes...  

[Hangtime]

Ispar..

Ok, you say you are for "Peace". So were the folks that vanished 9/11... they didn't go to war that morning. They went to work, and died.

How we gonna stop that from happening again?? Send the terrorists flowers? A surrender note? A massive corps of unarmed americans bringing 'em food? Riiiight. What? "Lets negotiate!" ?? My ass.

Ispar, you confused young puppy... if you wanna work for peace, join the diddlyin Marines. Be a man. If you can't or won't fight, be a Corpsman, and help our boys do the job thats gotta be done. Fight for your Nation. Fight for Peace. It's how it's done, always has been, always will be.

Good luck, son.

[ 10-04-2001: Message edited by: Hangtime ]