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Offline dtango

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« on: October 03, 2001, 09:00:00 AM »
"Anti-War Demonstrators Should Think Twice"
By David Horowitz
 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,35596,00.html

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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2001, 09:12:00 AM »
Good article Dtango. I get such a frustrating feeling of anger towards these so-called "anti-war" demonstrators who just don't seem to have enough life experience to understand what time it is, and worse, endangering my loved ones while they think they are only excersizing their right to free speech. I guess we need a few more major terrorist hits before these spoiled brats get the drift...
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2001, 09:22:00 AM »
Those poor souls will never get the drift.

If they saw bin laden on the street they would run up and try to kiss him.  Even after the first few dozen got their heads lopped off there would be an ever increasing stream of these poor souls running up and trying to kiss bin laden some more.

A certain percentage of human beings (10 to 15% IMO) are simply born stupid.  Lovabel and kind but dumb as dumb can be.

Such is life.

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2001, 09:26:00 AM »
Yeager - you're very optimistic in your estimates ;)

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2001, 10:19:00 AM »
A couple of thoughts on the article:
  • I thank Mr. Horowitz for writing the commentary and the appeal.  I hope that this message finds its way in into the communities of the current protestors and hope Mr. Horowitz's background as a former anti-war protestor is a strong stamp of credibility that will be heeded.
  • This illustrates the truth that many of these protestors are totally misguided by perhaps good intentions and ideas and live in a fantasy world that is shattered when brought against the hard evidence of reality.
  • The article also illustrates why protestors fail to come to their senses and that far from being the righteous humanitarians they claim to be they are actually wrapped up in and have totally missed their own sin of pride, ego, and self-absorbed self-righteousness.
  • Yes some of them will never get it, but as Mr. Horowitz is an example, some will.

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2001, 10:28:00 AM »
Well, I tip my hat to Horowitz for having the brass to admit that he was totally wrong back in the '60's. Further, it's rare to see one of that era's "peaceniks" admit to the harm they caused...

"The blood of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, and tens of thousands of Americans, is on the hands of the anti-war activists who prolonged the struggle and gave victory to the Communists.

The second effect of the war was to surrender South Vietnam to the forces of Communism. This resulted in the imposition of a monstrous police state, the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent South Vietnamese, the incarceration in "re-education camps" of hundreds of thousands more, and a quarter of a century of abject poverty imposed by crackpot Marxist economic plans, which continue to this day. This, too, is the responsibility of the so-called anti-war movement of the 1960s."


However, I assure you that there were those that pointed out the likely consequences of Mr. Horowitz's actions to him back in the '60's....

Just as he is doing now for those currently demonstrating.

And, like those that warned Horowitz himself 35 years ago, he will be ignored by those that he is now trying to inform.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2001, 12:46:00 PM »
He left out the most important part.  By giving up, my weak kneed, spoiled  bellybutton generation, left it to their children to finish.  Losing in 'Nam gave these third world clowns the idea that America could be had.  I'll garantee you, right now in some hole in Afghanistan, Ali is telling Mohammed the Americans are to weak to sustain a long war. And look what the Vietnamese did to them.

  BTW. If we back off this one.  We can be had.

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2001, 12:49:00 PM »
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Originally posted by easymo:
BTW. If we back off this one.  We can be had.

Replace "can" with will.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2001, 01:27:00 PM »
I love how these bellybutton holes have suddenly got religion, now that its their nuts on the chopping block.

  Less then a week before Sep. 11th, my wife made the mistake of mentioning that I served in 'Nam. To a woman at work.  The woman asked her what it was like to marry a good little nutzi.  My wife should have known better.  She has been listening to this crap for thirty years.

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2001, 02:00:00 PM »
I think that the protesters should continue to protest.  I also think that we should give them a free ticket to Iraq, or Iran or Afghanistan, and let them try and solve it themselves with "peace, love and negotiation".

I don't think we would need to give them round trip tickets.

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2001, 02:32:00 PM »
Turn off the tv cameras, put away the microphones and watch how quickly these worms go back into their holes ... obviously they did not get the proper amount of attention from their parents when they were younger...
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2001, 02:45:00 PM »
I think that the protesters should continue to protest. I also think that we should give them a free ticket to Iraq, or Iran or Afghanistan, and let them try and solve it themselves with "peace, love and negotiation".
I don't think we would need to give them round trip tickets.

  Let me suggest something a little more practical.  Up until the end of that war most Americans were willing to hang tough.  This is what Nixon called the silent majority.  There is nothing more useless than a SILENT majority.  Don't let them shout you down.  Every time they use their freedom of speech.  You use yours.

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2001, 06:50:00 PM »
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"Don't let them shout you down. Every time they use their freedom of speech. You use yours."

Don't worry, i've been doing it for years.  In fact, i like to use the Liberal-Left's tactics against them.  It drives 'em nuts.  They start screaming "Nazi", "Racist", "Warmonger", and other tired, old  perjoratives in near-Pavlovian response.  

Come to think of it, that's what the Leftist-Liberals are:  "Tired and Old"....

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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2001, 07:59:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Cabby44:

Come to think of it, that's what the Leftist-Liberals are:  "Tired and Old"....

Cabby


Hehe... that's just funny.

Moving on... That article is roadkill in many ways. The peace protests may have been organized by communist anti-americans, but to pin that label on the protestors is a sweeping and unfair generalization.

To call peace protestors anti-american now is another sweeping and unfair generalization.

I do think that peace protests are a waste of time, however. They are going to get lots of attention and that's all. Rather than waste time on this now, I suggest the peace protestors join Peace Corps or do something else to actively work toward peace. It's entirely too easy to jump up in down in a big crowd of people and scream for peace, then slink away and do nothing later. It's a shame that all the "peaceniks" only come out of the woodwork in times of war. That's not true dedication to peace, that's only attention gathering. If people were committed to peace round the clock, it might become a reality.

The thing to do now is to urge the government to practice moderation. Write your congressman or senator. Don't waste your time screaming anti-war rhetoric on a college campus. It will simply cause the peace/moderation movement to be discredited when people see that there is no reasoning or rational action being taken by participants in the protests - just shouting and slander. The whole thing could go out the window.

When this war begins, and after it ends will be the time to focus on peace. Not by chanting in a crowd or painting peace symbols on you stomach, but by taking action. Peace takes work. Do the work! That way, we might have a chance for peace when this is over.

The idea that we only need to work for peace when we start a war with someone is ridiculous. At that point it's too late. Peace is a continuous process, and to start now, and and only do this NOW is not going to do any good in the long run. You want peace? Keep at it. There's a hell of a lot more work to be done.

Additionally, movements to stop the war are all well and good -  but once again, just screaming in a crowd for the war to end isn't the only or best way to work towards peace. Get off your bellybutton and DO something! Go somewhere! Help someone!

When the time comes, I'll sign up for Peace Corps. When I leave Peace Corps, I will continue to work through the American Friends Service Committee, because it's action that begets peace, not words. Do your part.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2001, 08:01:00 PM »
By the way, cabby... it's more than sufficient to just say "leftists" or "liberals." To use both (hyphenated, no less!) is rather redundant. Or did you not know that already?