Atheists discriminated against

[Suave]

Originally posted by lazs2
the atheist faith is way too much to swallow... I wish they would just go away with their theories or at least just keep em to themselves...  their constant preaching is annoying.

lazs

Here here! Can't turn on the tv sunday morning without seeing 'em blathering away.

It's gotten to the point where I had to install a peep hole in front door so I can look in and see if it's a couple of atheisist with an armload of pamplets before I open the door.

Oh and if you happen to voice your disagreement with their views they'll give you the oh so condescending "well, I won't pray for your soul anyway".

[lazs2]

Well... that would be fine... but it is the attack on other religions that get on my nerves...  The fact that the money can't have "god" on it or they will be offended?   How can they be offended?  I do agree with pooh... I want the jehova witnesses to not come to my door but I also don't want to here the whining from the athiests here and in the news.

lazs

[Vipermann]

Originally posted by Pooh21
Atheists tick me off as much as jehovahs witnesses and fundamentalists. All loudly bray what they believe in over and over and want you to believe it too. So yes I dont think Jehovahs witness, atheists, or fundementalists should hold public office. And if you dont believe in a religion then you dont have one, and as such cant be discriminated against.

Lucky for you Jehovah's Witnesses do not want to hold political office. In fact if a Jehovah's Witness ran for office he would be removed from the religon.

[lada]

lol that remind me one swiss guy ... he was so tired to reply question about religion while he were biking on silk road, that he developed quite a tricky answer.

q: "whats you religion ? do you belive in god ?"
a: " we belive in darwin."

lol people w/o education were satified and educated were not sure whats does he mean


anyway its so funny to see all those "christ love me" how they express their "love and tolerance" towards others

anyway .. theocrats should keep their rifles loaded and eyes open.
http://www.nymasons.org/



if primary goal of masons over there is the same like local.

[lazs2]

lada you are correct in that most athiests see themselves as god.

lazs

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Bozon: You got it.. an atheist that forces others to see things his way is no better than a fundamentalist of the opposite kind.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Chairboy
So Virgil, are you saying that you think it's fine that atheists are not allowed to serve in public office in those states?

Did I write any such thing? No.

What part of "I am tolerant of your desire and wish to practice Atheism. I do not wish to see you or other Atheists excluded from any part of your rights."[/B] did you not read and understand?

Just so you know, it's a "blue" law. It isn't enforced, and it isn't considered enforceable. It isn't even considered important enough to bother with an amendment to remove it.

I don't see you going out of your way to make any statements against the Atheists attempting to remove God from the government. Interesting how tolerance appears to go only one way.

[moot]

Originally posted by lazs2
lada you are correct in that most athiests see themselves as god.

lazs

..and?

Lotta mixed issues in this thread.. if Admiral VH is right about the enforcementability, it's a moot point.

That said, what's wrong with removing God from government?

[lazs2]

nothing but... let's vote on it.   the government can't sponsor any religion but I see nothing in the constitution that would force them to not mention god soooo..

This is indeed something that the people should decide.  I will abide by the decision one way or the other so long as it does not infringe on any of my rights.

lazs

[Chairboy]

It seems to me that the thread is full of people saying essentially that  discrimination against atheists is ok because not believing in a god is somehow more wacky than believing and is evidence of mental illness.  Many of the other posts are... well, unrelated to my original question.

If, instead of 'atheist', the laws prohibited 'christians' from serving office, would you feel the same way?  How can feeling one way about atheism and a different way about christianity be anything other than hypocrasy?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Chairboy
It seems to me that the thread is full of people saying essentially that  discrimination against atheists is ok because not believing in a god is somehow more wacky than believing and is evidence of mental illness.  Many of the other posts are... well, unrelated to my original question.

If, instead of 'atheist', the laws prohibited 'christians' from serving office, would you feel the same way?  How can feeling one way about atheism and a different way about christianity be anything other than hypocrasy?

Just because you say it doesn't make true.

[crowMAW]

The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution makes those State constitution clauses invalid.  The US Consitution says that no religious test can be applied to hold office...and that must be enforced by the States regardless of any other State law.  Those State laws only had meaning before the 14th Amendment was ratified.

As far as god in government goes...I don't understand the purpose of having the US motto be "In God we trust" or the addition of "under God" to the Pledge.  The only purpose I can imagine is to proselytize to those who are "godless".  It states that we as a nation trust in god and submit to be under him...which is not the case.  We are a nation of many creeds, races, and religions...some of which do not believe in god.  

Personally, I like the original motto much better: E Plurabus Unum...one, from many.  And the old Pledge...One Nation--Indivisible--With liberty and justice for all.

[RTR]

Any atheist that doesn't fake believing in a given situation is a stupid atheist.

the atheist faith is way too much to swallow... I wish they would just go away with their theories or at least just keep em to themselves... their constant preaching is annoying.

The first quote is just dumb. Why should I fake a religion to satisfy your inability to stand on your own two feet?

"The athiest faith"??  Lazs, come on. I have to assume you are joking.

I'm an athiest, and I really don't care what anyone else believes in. It doesn't affect me, nor does my lack of faith in a deity affect anyone else.

It's not like I come to your door with pamphlets about dinosaurs and monkeys.  



RTR

[weaselsan]

There are a lot of people in this Country that are getting a little tired of a minority attempting to change words in the Constitution. The Bill of rights clearly states (Freedom OF religion)..It does not say Freedom FROM
religion. The establishment clause simply states that the Government will not establish an official religion. As was done in England (The Church of England). We are a Representative form of Government (A Republic). The people elect representatives to make laws. If you want Laws changed, change your representatives. There are 50 STATES each State elects State representatives ...(Now hold on this may come as a shock to some of you.)
From time to time they make Laws that you really don't care for.

[RTR]

Ahha! there is the crux!

"Freedom OF Religion"  and not "Freedom FROM Religion"

Methinks you Americans aren't as free as you thought you were. So for all the Athiests among you then.... do you get to pick which religion you must subscribe to, or does the government assign it on the basis of equality of all religions. What do you do if they want you to be a Roman Catholic and you wish to be a Baptist?  Are you allowed to switch?

Apparently your Bill of Rights deems that you must believe in a deity.

Shall we Canadians expect a big influx of religious refugees from the south?



RTR