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« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2005, 11:59:11 AM »
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Originally posted by RTR
Ahha! there is the crux!

"Freedom OF Religion"  and not "Freedom FROM Religion"

Methinks you Americans aren't as free as you thought you were. So for all the Athiests among you then.... do you get to pick which religion you must subscribe to, or does the government assign it on the basis of equality of all religions. What do you do if they want you to be a Roman Catholic and you wish to be a Baptist?  Are you allowed to switch?

Apparently your Bill of Rights deems that you must believe in a deity.

Shall we Canadians expect a big influx of religious refugees from the south?

:rofl

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Freedom OF religion means simply that. It means in the daily course of life you will be exposed to people practiceing their faith. More and more in this Country certain religions are being supressed. The latest example is the war on Christmas. The Christian faith is enemy #1 to certain groups in this Country. It sets moral rules and guidelines that some see as discrimination against some minority groups. ie; Gays. Which is why (if you pay attention) You'll here a lot of whining about the much hated extremist Right Wing Christians. Not Jews, Muslims , or Buddists. Christians. You are free to practice any faith you like in this country, or none at all, Do not attempt to use the Constitution to deny my rights to practice mine. In the establishment clause it goes on to say Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
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« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2005, 12:06:14 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
the atheist faith is way too much to swallow... I wish they would just go away with their theories or at least just keep em to themselves...  their constant preaching is annoying.

lazs


I'll be with you on this one as soon as we start investigating those mega rich tele-athiests about their extravagant tax free lifestyle.

Until then, why don't we just let the belivers bay at the moon in peace.

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« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2005, 12:13:32 PM »
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Originally posted by crowMAW
The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution makes those State constitution clauses invalid.  The US Consitution says that no religious test can be applied to hold office...


Heres the 14th ammendment, I can't find it......

Amendment XIV.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,4 and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.


Proposal and Ratification

The fourteenth amendment to the Constitution of the United States was proposed to the legislatures of the several States by the Thirty-ninth Congress, on the 13th of June, 1866. It was declared, in a certificate of the Secretary of State dated July 28, 1868 to have been ratified by the legislatures of 28 of the 37 States. The dates of ratification were: Connecticut, June 25, 1866; New Hampshire, July 6, 1866; Tennessee, July 19, 1866; New Jersey, September 11, 1866 (subsequently the legislature rescinded its ratification, and on March 24, 1868, readopted its resolution of rescission over the Governor's veto, and on Nov. 12, 1980, expressed support for the amendment); Oregon, September 19, 1866 (and rescinded its ratification on October 15, 1868); Vermont, October 30, 1866; Ohio, January 4, 1867 (and rescinded its ratification on January 15, 1868); New York, January 10, 1867; Kansas, January 11, 1867; Illinois, January 15, 1867; West Virginia, January 16, 1867; Michigan, January 16, 1867; Minnesota, January 16, 1867; Maine, January 19, 1867; Nevada, January 22, 1867; Indiana, January 23, 1867; Missouri, January 25, 1867; Rhode Island, February 7, 1867; Wisconsin, February 7, 1867; Pennsylvania, February 12, 1867; Massachusetts, March 20, 1867; Nebraska, June 15, 1867; Iowa, March 16, 1868; Arkansas, April 6, 1868; Florida, June 9, 1868; North Carolina, July 4, 1868 (after having rejected it on December 14, 1866); Louisiana, July 9, 1868 (after having rejected it on February 6, 1867); South Carolina, July 9, 1868 (after having rejected it on December 20, 1866).

Ratification was completed on July 9, 1868.

The amendment was subsequently ratified by Alabama, July 13, 1868; Georgia, July 21, 1868 (after having rejected it on November 9, 1866); Virginia, October 8, 1869 (after having rejected it on January 9, 1867); Mississippi, January 17, 1870; Texas, February 18, 1870 (after having rejected it on October 27, 1866); Delaware, February 12, 1901 (after having rejected it on February 8, 1867); Maryland, April 4, 1959 (after having rejected it on March 23, 1867); California, May 6, 1959; Kentucky, March 18, 1976 (after having rejected it on January 8, 1867).

Amendment XV.

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« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2005, 12:26:53 PM »
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Originally posted by Flatbar
I'll be with you on this one as soon as we start investigating those mega rich tele-athiests about their extravagant tax free lifestyle.

Until then, why don't we just let the belivers bay at the moon in peace.


Thats it Flatbar,"Feel the hatred" Think to yourself Hate Christians, Hate Christians, Then go get a new nose ring, And punk album.

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« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2005, 12:31:56 PM »
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I know that there's a lot of people here on the board that disagree with me on religious issues, but I'm hoping y'all will acknowledge that this situation is just not right:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/texas.htm

7 states prohibit atheists from holding political office.  How would you like a law that said christians couldn't hold office?

This is balderdash.  If anyone out there disagrees, let's have a discussion.


The easy answer is, demand of your legislators that they ammend the law.
If you can't do that they win you lose.

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« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2005, 01:04:17 PM »
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Heres the 14th ammendment, I can't find it......

Amendment XIV.

Section 1.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;


The "no religous test" is in US Constitution Article VI Section 3.  The above section of the 14th indicates that all rights given in the Consitution are applied to all US citizens regardless of State laws.

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« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2005, 01:17:53 PM »
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Originally posted by RTR
The athiest faith"??  Lazs, come on. I have to assume you are joking.


Lazs' term is correct.  Athiesm is a faith that there is no God.  Lack of evidence does not logically prove non-existance.  An illogical leap of faith is required to conclude the question one way or another.

Agnosticism is lack of faith in the existance.  Atheism is a faith in the non-existance.
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« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2005, 01:22:14 PM »
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Freedom OF religion means simply that. It means in the daily course of life you will be exposed to people practiceing their faith. More and more in this Country certain religions are being supressed.

I have no problem with being exposed to people practicing faith.  I frequently pass a huge billboard asking if I've "Got God?"...got no problem ignoring it.  I used to have a co-worker who prayed before each meal...I would respectfully wait for him to finish before we would eat lunch together.

But when it comes to government, I expect neutrality so that there is no question that I will be treated equally eventhough I am a minority in faith.

Help me understand the purpose of "In God We Trust" and "under God".  Why would you have an issue if they were removed?  Do you think that it is supressing your religion if they were removed?

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« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2005, 01:32:06 PM »
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Help me understand the purpose of "In God We Trust" and "under God".  Why would you have an issue if they were removed?  Do you think that it is supressing your religion if they were removed?


Would you have an issue if they stayed?

I have an issue if they go just due to all the legal costs in this stupid issue.  I think the next judge should rule that the complaintant gets a thicker skin and a life.  There are many more important issues.
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« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2005, 01:58:13 PM »
Didnt Hitler and Nazis hate Christians too?

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« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2005, 01:58:59 PM »
Where the hell is this "hate Christians" bull**** coming from?
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« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2005, 02:05:31 PM »
chair... to answer your original question...

I believe that to deny office to an athiest based soley on his faith in aithiesm would and should be unconstituional..

as for "in god we trust" on the money... this violates nothing and at worse... should be put to a vote of the people.   If more people want it than not.... fine...  this would not violate a constitutional democracy in my opinion.

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« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2005, 02:50:17 PM »
Faith:
1. Confident belief in the truth, value or trustworthiness of a person, idea
    or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence
3. Loyalty to a person or thing;  Allegiance
4. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in god and a trusting
    acceptance of gods will.
5.The body of dogma of a religion.


The most I can be accused of is that I believe that I don't believe in a deity in any form whatsoever. This isn't Faith. This is more a lack of faith.

I mean really, in order to have faith, you need to believe in at least something.

When was the last time you saw a bunch of us athiests heading to the local church of absenteism to sing and praise our non belief?
We don't.
Because we don't subscribe to a faith.

All that being said, it's not my intention to open a can of worms.
The argument for or against "faith" belongs in a seperate thread, and I'm not too sure it's a good idea to go there. We as a BBS don't have a real good track record with that topic.

cheers,

RTR  (  Alas!  Faithless)
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« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2005, 03:08:00 PM »
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and if you wanna piss off buddha, hide the twinkies.


Dumba** rednecks... buddha's not a god for gawdsake!

Plus he wasn't fat. Thats just a Japanese thing, buddha was a skinny dude, he went and lived with those Indian Brahman hermits that virtually live off dirt.

So...
 - Buddha wasn't a fat guy. He was a well educated skinny Indian prince.
 - Buddha wasn't/isn't a god. He is a mere man who reached 'englightenment'
 - Buddha doesn't have any "superpowers"
 - Buddha didn't try to explain creation with a pile of fairy tales (as such Buddhism can accept Darwins theories quite happily)

Now pass the twinkies.

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« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2005, 03:11:33 PM »
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Faith:

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2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence

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I mean really, in order to have faith, you need to believe in at least something.

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Because we don't subscribe to a faith.



If you do not have faith you are Agnostic.

If you believe that there is no God, then your faith is Athieism, as it is difficult to believe with no beliefs.
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