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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2001, 12:28:00 PM »
Well I've been playing pirated games since 1982, and I'm not going to stop now.  

I do, however, like to vote with my dollars.  If I use something more than once or twice, I'll pay for it.

As far as M$, I paid for Winblows, but some love muffin stole my CD, so I am using a copy of my uncle's CD.  If that's piracy then sue me.

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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2001, 12:30:00 PM »
Do compilations disks from Malaysia that contain entire Adobe software archives for the price of $5 count as purchasing?

Let me put it this way... If I use it, I purchased it. If I didn't purchase it, I evaluated it. How's that?  

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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2001, 12:31:00 PM »
Don't get me wrong Sturm, I have my share of copied games and software, but Wobble asked if it was stealing or not.  It is.

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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2001, 12:35:00 PM »
because of a character flaw, i always pay for what i take or use.

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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2001, 12:36:00 PM »
<S> to funked finally someone knows what we are talking about.  I lost my 98 Key but I got so many freakin memorized from all the installs I did I just used one of those.  Oh and if you looked at the 200 or so comps I did installs the reg key was the same lol.  Much easier to put the one you got memerorized then having to look at that packet thingy.  Didn't matter thing called site licensing for those that will try and crack on this.  I guess the PC police wants my copy of SWOTL back before it was made free?  

BTW I have an ftp server if anyone wants an illegal copy of SWOTL you can download it from there, BUwahahahahahahaa.

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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2001, 12:41:00 PM »
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The difference is significant enough that the courts still have not sorted out the IP laws

Yes the FH'ers could hide behind International law and their various complications but iEN had a legal case against you which is why you ISP took down your web site when confronted by iEN. Piracy no but you did take revenue away from iEN by promoting the FH activity which is the end result of piracy.

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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2001, 12:45:00 PM »
Revvin... your knowledge of the facts is lacking.

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2001, 02:01:00 PM »
Did you or did you not run a web-site promoting Freehost? A web-site that gave help on setting up independant Freehost servers ans gave links to Freehost file transfers? Was it not your site that was closed down in the face of legal action from iEN?

However much you tried and still try to excuse the actions that resulted in the loss of income to iEN the facts are quite clear.

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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2001, 02:06:00 PM »
I thought windows were thos things in a house that let in light without opening the door.....


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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2001, 02:18:00 PM »
First, let me point out that my windows 98 copy came with my PC, however instead of buying the second edition, I just borrowed it from a friend.

Wobble,

It is stealing. You are just giving out reasons trying to justify your actions. Its simple, stealing.

Yes, you do have other options, there are plenty free OS out there, no one is forcing you to use Windows.
I think Windows is a good product. Can you point out why not? Its not perfect, but what other OS is? are you gonna tell me Linux is perfect? Please.
And if it were, why arent you using Linux right now?

Face it, it is stealing.
All your reasons trying to justify it, its just BULL-SHIT. You aint no Robin Hood.

You might come across better to me saying an honest "I really need it and I have no cash so I copied it from a friend" than all your evil MS bullcrap.

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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2001, 03:15:00 PM »
   
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Did you or did you not run a web-site promoting Freehost? A web-site that gave help on setting up independant Freehost servers ans gave links to Freehost file transfers? Was it not your site that was closed down in the face of legal action from iEN?

However much you tried and still try to excuse the actions that resulted in the loss of income to iEN the facts are quite clear.

Let's see... the facts...

1. Sandman used to offer information telling people how to use Itmo's Freehost via a web site hosted on Xoom.

2. iEN sent a nasty gram to Xoom stating that Sandman was pirating software.

3. Xoom shut down the site. Sandman was not asked for comment.

4. Sandman still maintained an account on WarBirds until he chose to discontinue the subscription six months after "the event".

5. Sandman continues to maintain an account on Aces High.

Sounds like I'm public-enemy number one.

Hint... if ya really want to rally the troops behind ya on this little witch-hunt, accuse me of cheating. That's always a winner, a true crowd-pleaser.

If you wish to debate the merits or lack thereof regarding Itmo's Freehost, you can read my opinion at DogFighter.Com. I'm certain you won't find anything to say that hasn't already been said. I'm also certain that I'm quite finished discussing the matter with you or anyone else.

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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2001, 03:37:00 PM »
 
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iEN sent a nasty gram to Xoom stating that Sandman was pirating software

Not what Iceman told me when I reported your site but the ends justify the means, the activity was illegal in America under American copyright laws so they would have shut you down anyway they jut chose a way that made Xoom sit up and notice to save time ad limit the damage your grubby little site did.

 
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Sounds like I'm public-enemy number one.

Really? must be your ego kicking in, I just see you as the little worm helping to promote Freehost, just wondered if you were the same Sandman as its relative to this discussion.

 
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Hint... if ya really want to rally the troops behind ya on this little witch-hunt, accuse me of cheating. That's always a winner, a true crowd-pleaser.

I'm not here to please crowds or start a witch hunt all that toejam was discussed a long time ago..like I said wanted to know if you're the same Sandman I thought you were, as you are all I can say is you are a hypocrite with your views here when looking at your previous actions.

 
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If you wish to debate the merits or lack thereof regarding Freehost, you can read my opinion here

I'm not interested, its all been said but I just wondered if you were the same Sandman, nice to see you are still the hypocrite, now to get back on topic as I fear we've strayed slightly....

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Yes, you do have other options, there are plenty free OS out there, no one is forcing you to use Windows

To a certain extent we are forced into using Windoes, MS has abused their monopoly for so long that there are other perfectly good OS's outh there but  as we've seen in the past with Netscape any company trying to deliver a product with equal capabilities as a Microsoft one gets dealt with dirty underhand business tactics so we are limited to our choice of word processor, spreadsheet program etc but the balance is slowly being addressed with the advent of programs like Star Office etc.

 
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gonna tell me Linux is perfect? Please

No OS is perfect but its much more stable than even Microsofts premier business OS's and it leads MS on security by a country mile. Big business is has adopted Linux as the choice for their servers with the likes of IBM and Compaq using it. At least Linux is priced sensibly and more and more developers are supporting it with games and apps. Its about time the courts did something about MS as with a bit of competition we the end user will be the winners.

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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2001, 03:58:00 PM »
     
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Sounds like I'm public-enemy number one.
Really? must be your ego kicking in, I just see you as the little worm helping to promote Freehost, just wondered if you were the same Sandman as its relative to this discussion.

That was sarcasm, potato peeler. The point is that your pal, Iceman, thought so poorly of me that I continued my iEN account anyway.

FWIW, I could have simply moved WBFH to another server. I had offers from other hosts that were willing to take on iEN over the issue. I chose to let it go.

I know what software piracy is. It can typically be found on blue CD-ROM disks and FTP servers that can't seem to maintain a constant IP address.


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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2001, 04:01:00 PM »
You are quoting me out of context.
Yes, Linux is very good server and mainframe software, but is it good on a consumer level?

Yeah lets play AH on Linux.

And if you dont like Windows 98 or Me, try Windows 2000, I tried it and found very few flaws.

Its just the underdog syndrome really. People just want to hate the leading company.

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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2001, 04:57:00 PM »
I pay for software that: A. I Like B.Works well.
I haven't given Bill any of my money.


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