Rams

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by WMLute
(eeek.. sorry this is about rams isn't it.)
uhh... Ram's been posted to death on.  Simple "Search" and you will see that the way collisions are modeled is basically the BEST way that HTC can do it.  

You "SEE" the ram on your Front End, you get damage.  You don't "See" the ram on your Front End, you don't.

What most don't seem to understand is that what you and your enemy "See" is slightly different.  What is a ram to you, is a near miss to them or vs. versa. due to internet lag.

I get that.
What I DONT get is when I DONT SEE a ram on my and and get one anyway

[john9001]

if i can't shoot you down , i'll ram you .......thats whats parachutes are for.

[jaxxo]

i understand the ram model...what really annoys me though is when im in a buff straight and level and using guns i get rammed and lose a plane while enemy flys away..explain this one bohdi..please? he actually pulls away but my end sees a ram and i lose a plane? thats complete crap if ya ask me...

[Grits]

Originally posted by jaxxo
thats complete crap if ya ask me...

Nobody asked you.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by jaxxo
i understand the ram model...what really annoys me though is when im in a buff straight and level and using guns i get rammed and lose a plane while enemy flys away..explain this one bohdi..please? he actually pulls away but my end sees a ram and i lose a plane? thats complete crap if ya ask me...

Actually werent some of the planes designed to and wasnt one of the tactics used was to  ram through the ings of bombers?

I may be wrong but
I seem to remember hearing something about that

[DoKGonZo]

The overuse of HO and ramming has been with this genre since Day #1. While in theory you can avoid being HO'd and rammed, in practice it's not so easy. Especially in a furball where half the planes are N1K's or Hurri IIC's who are looking for the HO shot and not much else.

The worst problem, though, is that players shouldn't HAVE TO avoid being HO'd or rammed. Fighter to fighter HO's should be so hard to do unless both parties bore right in on each other that it's not worth trying. Think about how small these planes are from the forward aspect, how restricted the forward view is, and how fast the closure is.

And the collision code just got wonked somehow and people *are* taking advantage because they've learned how to induce a crash on someone else's front end while avoiding it on theirs.

[jaxxo]

there was a dedicated group pf 190 pilots who protected the "fatherland"  by any means possible...ramming was a last resort but they were pledged to do it against buffs...other than that it was not a legit practice as the pilot was more valuable..in most cases.

anyway someone answer the buff ram question please?

[Donzo]

An example of different "front ends":



I got the message "someone has collided with you".

From my front end it's clear that we missed (just barely).

The other front end must have been closer; where the wings actually hit.  Therefore I get the "someone has collided with you" mesage the the other person gets the "You have collided" message.

[EagleDNY]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually werent some of the planes designed to and wasnt one of the tactics used was to  ram through the ings of bombers?

I may be wrong but
I seem to remember hearing something about that

I don't know if they were designed for it, but I have a book about the IJAF Aces, and in the late war period many of the entries are about IJAF pilots in Ki-45s ramming B-29s head on to take them down.  Don't ask me how, but the bios on the pilots would tell the story of them shooting down x B29s by ramming, yet have them noted as surviving the war.  Apparently they had entire Sentais set up for this tactic, and had some way figured to be able to ram a bomber and live to tell the tale.

EagleDNY

[wetrat]

Would you twits PLEASE stop whining about HO's? It isn't exactly difficult to avoid the jousting idiots. The only plane that can make you work to avoid a HO is a hurricane. And getting shot in a nose-nose turn when you're engaged isn't a HO... it's just unfortunate.

[Stang]

[Ghosth]

"Only YOU can prevent forest fires,errr Collisions!"

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
"Aces HO" ... that's what the game feels like most of the time. Head-on hits are still the easiest to get, especially since the latest version.

AMEN.  

Karaya

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually werent some of the planes designed to and wasnt one of the tactics used was to  ram through the ings of bombers?

I may be wrong but
I seem to remember hearing something about that

During the Nazi's Invasion of Poland.  The Poles would ram 109s intentionally (FACT not fiction, like the "charging tanks on horseback")

Karaya

[SIM]

In the latter stages of World War II Luftwaffe pilots of certain units flew armored 190's into bomber streams. Their mission was to disrupt the stream and if need be, RAM the bombers.
 A good article about this type of flying and one of the units is in "Flight Journal Warplanes of the Third Reich". This article is written by Feldwebel Oscar Boesch of  Sturmstaffel 1(JG) 3 UDET.


SIM