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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2006, 11:46:54 AM »
The Bf110 is over modeled.  There is no doubt of that.  Luft fans make excuses, but that is the hard truth.

The Hurri is also overmodeled, but not as badly.


If the real planes flew like these it would have been the Bf109s and Spitfires that ended up being seen as second rate and dead ends.  The respective forces would have ended up in Hurricane Mk XIVs and Bf110K-4s.


And no, Bf110s doing free range air-to-air combat still met with very heavy losses against either Hurricanes or Spitfires.  The whole "Tied to the bombers caused them to have that record." is a bunch of BS that doesn't hold up to the record.
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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2006, 12:30:55 PM »
Agree with Karnak :aok


Or have you ever see a fightercircle here in AH when 110s protect each
other against attacking Hurris and Spits ?

No, here in AH are the Hurris and Spits in a circle of death to protect
each other against the 110s around them.  :(


AH is a COMBAT GAME, nothing more :cry

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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2006, 12:59:24 PM »
I've seen only a couple of 3-4 kill 109E sorties (got myself a 3 kill sortie as well) but only on the 110cs have I seen regular 5-6-7 kill sorties. I've landed 2-3 "5 killers" myself, and I'm not that great.

We have been trying to give yall some bomber action. I organized a few Ju88 raids a couple nights ago. A Ju87 raid was interceptd on climb out, but would have been fun to reach the target (only 1 plane did, I think).

To help out, and because I don't fly the RAF planes enough, I'm going to switch to Spit1/Hurr1 next time I join and see where I can help!

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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2006, 03:25:53 PM »
"The whole "Tied to the bombers caused them to have that record." is a bunch of BS that doesn't hold up to the record."

And your claim is based on what?

Surely you have flown 110 against Spits and Hurris in AvA?

I have got my kills in 110 exactly as Kweassa described it. 109s get them slow and 110s boom through the furball and cherry pick them off.

Hurris and Spits need to stick considerably long time in enemy's tail to gain a kill, and for either cannon armed ME one second is usually enough to get a kill.

The change in tactics will be very evident when Hurri2 and Spit5 come into game. The 109s will not be able to stick with Brit fighters because that same one second will be lethal for them too.

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« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2006, 04:49:55 PM »
the bf110 in AH is wildly overmodelled but it pales compared to all things allied including the GVs and if you bail from an allied plane then your chute and pistol are overmodelled as well.  the only thing not overmodelled are the allied players they pretty much suck.

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« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2006, 04:57:09 PM »
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It's not necessarily the Luftwafe is superior in overall quality. They got a lot of good pilots, but the rest of the pilots are just as average as our own. However, the difference is that the LW guys know their 110s and 109s cannot turn with Hurris or Spits, and that usually forces them to keep a certain amount of discipline when engaging. However, being in such wonderful maneuvering planes, our poor RAF lads just love to go into the death spiral, and end up getting hounded by dozens of 109s on ther tail. The 109s force them to turn, the 110 comes in screaming and finishes them off.

This is one of those examples - kind of like our Wildcats v. A6M2s setups - when this arena reflects history.  I've always thought it was pretty neat how that happens.

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« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2006, 06:06:01 PM »
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the bf110 in AH is wildly overmodelled but it pales compared to all things allied including the GVs and if you bail from an allied plane then your chute and pistol are overmodelled as well.  the only thing not overmodelled are the allied players they pretty much suck.


Storch take your meds.:p  Where did all that come from?:eek:

By the way........... Wheres TK been lately, haven't seen him in like a month?

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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2006, 06:08:47 PM »
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if you bail from an allied plane then your chute and pistol are overmodelled as well


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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2006, 07:18:54 PM »
About the 110C being over-modeled...

So people are saying 110C is over modeled because it uses DB 601N instead of DB 601A?  Isnt DB 601N a post Battle of Britain engine used on 109F-2s?

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« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2006, 07:26:02 PM »
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the bf110 in AH is wildly overmodelled but it pales compared to all things allied including the GVs and if you bail from an allied plane then your chute and pistol are overmodelled as well.  the only thing not overmodelled are the allied players they pretty much suck.



ok, Who had Jan 23 before 5 pm?



The M3 is overmodelled though.

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« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2006, 07:55:08 PM »
Don't think the 110 is over modeled.  It's just hard to bring down right now.

 The Luftwaffe kicked arse in the early days. Just like their doing now. Yeah they had problems during BOB brought on by distance and forced tactics. Those limits don't apply in the game. So what your seeing right now is pretty much an example of what happened to the Polish , Dutch, Belgian, French, and British Air Forces on the  European continant.

Fight through it better days are ahead.:aok

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« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2006, 08:06:06 PM »
clearly, humor is lost on some folks. oh well.

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« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2006, 09:57:44 PM »
You complain that Spits end up on the deck turning in circles and are easy prey for incoming higher alt LW.  That is true, but it isn't because they are stupid.  It's because the Spit cannot get a kill until the fight has devolved to near stall speed and that does not happen until the Spit has followed his intended target all the way to zero alt.  It is because HTC has chosen to model the stiffness of the Spit I controls at moderate speeds as meaning "virtually unmanouverable".   If you dive on a 110 or 109 at alt he just does a flick reversal and your Spit is ballistic and cannot get a single shot.  And with 0.303s there is no such thing as a snap shot.  Only on the deck at stall speed can you finally load the required 200 rounds of 0.303 into your target.  By then you are toast from other 110s or 109s.  Fights using Spit Is take an enormous amount of time, and your target, especially 110s, can pretty much extend at will, even from a stall fight.  As soon as they are beyond 300 to 400 yds the few 0.303s that do land will do no damage.  

Your argument that the LW side just has better players doesn't entirely hold water because the AvA arena group are quite conscientious at switching sides to even things up, so it turns out the  same  people end up playing both sides.  Yet the LW has over a 2:1 kill ratio, even when flying 110s.

But I am guilty of whining about something that will not change, which is one of the definitions of clinical insanity, so I'll stop.  Sorry.

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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2006, 10:06:54 PM »
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About the 110C being over-modeled...

So people are saying 110C is over modeled because it uses DB 601N instead of DB 601A?  Isnt DB 601N a post Battle of Britain engine used on 109F-2s?
the 110C4 did indeed have the "N" engine and was built in very small numbers and it was a good performer but not as good as it does in AH.  It would still be relatively easy meat for any single engine fighter in a 1 v 1.  it's way overmodelled but not as much as any allied plane is.

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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2006, 10:32:27 PM »
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Your argument that the LW side just has better players doesn't entirely hold water because the AvA arena group are quite conscientious at switching sides to even things up, so it turns out the  same  people end up playing both sides.  Yet the LW has over a 2:1 kill ratio, even when flying 110s.




How that part is always conveniently overlooked cracks me up.