"Adam and Eve" as a US Standard ?

[Saintaw]

That's good news Jimdandy  

<S!>
Saw

[Jimdandy]

 

Originally posted by Saintaw:
That's good news Jimdandy  

<S!>
Saw

It would be great news if they would just get off the whole religion in schools thing and get on with education of your kids.

[fd ski]

Since i was able to experiance both school systems first hard, let me throw in my 2 cents...

In europe - you didn't get much room to slack. If you failed ANY subject ( and those were chosen for you ) you had to repeat WHOLE YEAR. This provided motivation nessesary to keep on going.
I was a relatively poor student in europe, since my interest in women and basketball was much grater then any other  

In US, I was able to choose my own classes - only problem occured when i had to choose math class and it turned out that I've done best they had to offer two years earlier  
( this is a RESPECTABLE SUBURB HS in Connecticut )
Overall, i was able to graduate High school in US ( attended only senior year ) with good grades ( mostly Bs ) although i only knew maybe 20 english words total  
In US teachers are expected to bend over backwards to help even the dumbest and most unwilling students, this slows down everyone. I still see this pathetic trait in college.

Overall, US system is failing because of its liberal approach ( and i'm a democrat !!!   ). Children are not interested in learning in general and cannot be allowed to choose their own subjects. The "freedom and responsibility" is given too early and never checked. Classes crawl since "everyone" has to be taken care off, and there are NO pusnishments for failing. Everything is wonderful, everything is good, except for the fact that 10% of graduates never read a book in their lives and are functionally illiterate.

Scarry thing is that my home country has a horrible habit of blandly following US example - they are now considering educational reform....
Just a thought makes me shiver..

Sorry for the incoherent rant... too early in the morning  


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[This message has been edited by fd ski (edited 01-19-2001).]

[Saintaw]

Heheh Fd-sky, I was lucky enough to spend a few years in Asia when i was a Kid, and spent 2 years in a Japanese school ... ANY school system is easy compared to that one... closest experience I had after that was when i enlistd 15 years after  

Saw

[Jimdandy]

 

Originally posted by fd ski:
Since i was able to experiance both school systems first hard, let me throw in my 2 cents...

In europe - you didn't get much room to slack. If you failed ANY subject ( and those were chosen for you ) you had to repeat WHOLE YEAR. This provided motivation nessesary to keep on going.
I was a relatively poor student in europe, since my interest in women and basketball was much grater then any other    

In US, I was able to choose my own classes - only problem occured when i had to choose math class and it turned out that I've done best they had to offer two years earlier    
( this is a RESPECTABLE SUBURB HS in Connecticut )
Overall, i was able to graduate High school in US ( attended only senior year ) with good grades ( mostly Bs ) although i only knew maybe 20 english words total    
In US teachers are expected to bend over backwards to help even the dumbest and most unwilling students, this slows down everyone. I still see this pathetic trait in college.

Overall, US system is failing because of its liberal approach ( and i'm a democrat !!!     ). Children are not interested in learning in general and cannot be allowed to choose their own subjects. The "freedom and responsibility" is given too early and never checked. Classes crawl since "everyone" has to be taken care off, and there are NO pusnishments for failing. Everything is wonderful, everything is good, except for the fact that 10% of graduates never read a book in their lives and are functionally illiterate.

Scarry thing is that my home country has a horrible habit of blandly following US example - they are now considering educational reform....
Just a thought makes me shiver..

Sorry for the incoherent rant... too early in the morning    

Man I agree 10000%! I've seen some of my Grandfathers grade school books. Not High School, not Middle School, but grade school books. They were starting into algebra in the fifth grade! My mothers books were similar! My mom had to take a word origin or a Latin class before she could graduate from high school! I didn't even have to do that in college! That was in a town of about 1500 people! What the hell has happend since then. I can tell you that my grade school and junior high school education was ok. High school was a joke. It got worse as my brother went through 7 years later. The problem is we have saddled these teachers with duties beyond what they can perform and still teach or they have decided in some cases to add some of their own idealistic crap to the system and waste kids valuable time. 1st teach them to read, right, and do math up thru algebra. Then all of the other happy bull can be thrown in. On top of that the good teachers can't discipline at all in school. ON TOP OF THAT the damn parents don't want them disciplined. Tell me how a teacher is going to control a class room with out the ability to enforce discipline. When I was in grade school the principal and the teachers could spank you. I really think it was needed. Of course someone can go over board. Then they should be punished. I wouldn't be surprised the next trend we see in school violence is the teachers coming in with guns and blowing away students. The nut case that has finally had enough of trying all damn day long to get them to listen but has no control really over weather they do or not. The day before he had a parent teacher conference with little 13 year old Johnny's parents about his totally disrupting the class room and how he had to send him out of class. The parents freak because Johnny was embarrassed in front of all his friends and now there going to sue!!! On top of that she's teaching with 20 year old books because Johnny's parents didn't want their property taxes raised! It's insanity! But until a kid can read and right way the hell are we wasting are time teaching a 3rd grader about alterative family. They can't even spell family because the teacher has been not only saddled with the burden of trying to do there job but trying to be a social worker, mother and father, nutritionist...! I've talked to some grade school teachers. They tell me what they spend a large portion of the day doing is parenting. Many of these kids cry when they have to go home because they has such a vacuum for a home. They don't get bathed, feed or paid any attention to other than to be told to shut up and thrown in front of the TV. Then the general public wants to know why the school is failing. It's because of YOU. Your failing out there as parents. You throw the kid to the teacher for 8 hrs and expect them to raise them. Don't get me wrong. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular on this page. It's everyone's fault in the US for letting it get this way. "Oh my god honey they want to raise property taxes for the school. Damn it lets go vote that down!" God forbid we should have to pay for books and teachers. Give me a voucher that will fix it. LOL!!!!!!!!!! It's you that helped put the school system in this mess. You'll be the same guy that screws up the voucher system. We had excellent public schools in the US at one time. What the hell did we do to it. It's our own fault for not realizing that it is the first and foremost priority is to get these kids literate! The school can't be everything for everyone but it can be an institution of learning.

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[Eagler]

One word ... VOUCHERS!
Let the parents use the money where they see fit. Public Ed has become so political it's not even funny.

(Catholic school - K - 8)

Eagler

[Pepino]

Jimdandy

100% agreed. It's not a monopoly of the American Education System tho. I think is a general trend. I Spain we have that very same problem, maybe not that hard. The real truth is that both teachers are unable to enforce discipline, plus the contents themselves seem to be less and less a learning concern.

We will end having a wonderful generation of socially integrated, evolved, mature, self conscienced   ....functional illiterates that won't make 2+2 without a pocket calculator, but will be able to fire a machine gun against their teachers & fellow students.

Cheers,

Pepe.

[AKDejaVu]

 

You're saying that the bible story, the creation myth of Asatru,[insert religious mumbo jumbo here] is as well supported as the theory of evolution?

Oh.. ok.. evolution...

I thought we were talking about creation of the universe, not how it evolved.

Just what did it evolve from?  Originally?  And where did that original source for life today come from?

AKDejaVu

[AKDejaVu]

LOL! I had a long drawn-out followup to this one and HTC crashed as I submitted it.  I'll take it as a sign.

Let me say this though:

Arguing the invalidity of the ark based on the ammount of animals and so forth while supporting any idea that all life came from a single cell is somewhat contradictory.

I have not met a Christian that didn't believe in evolution in some form.  I've met too many people that refuse to believe anything in the bible in any form.

Both seem to be more based on man's desire to know what happened to start it all, rather than what really did happen.  Is one more plausible than the other?  Maybe.. but it doesn't make it any more true.  The truth of the matter is that there was some kind of incredible thing that happened to start the universe.  Something that modern science can in no way explain.. even come close to explaining.  Once you accept that, you start to accept that there is more to it than what can be proven by science.

AKDejaVu

[Jimdandy]

 

Originally posted by Pepino:
Jimdandy

100% agreed. It's not a monopoly of the American Education System tho. I think is a general trend. I Spain we have that very same problem, maybe not that hard. The real truth is that both teachers are unable to enforce discipline, plus the contents themselves seem to be less and less a learning concern.

We will end having a wonderful generation of socially integrated, evolved, mature, self conscienced   ....functional illiterates that won't make 2+2 without a pocket calculator, but will be able to fire a machine gun against their teachers & fellow students.

Cheers,

Pepe.

Thx for the input. I didn't realize it was a trend any place but the US. Sounds like we all better beef up that savings account. The next generation can't support us because they can't read. Interesting thanks.  

[TheWobble]

its not that the curriclum is bad or anything else, its just that the country has forgotten that some people just dont and are not going to get it, they hold back classes for kids that (to be politically incorrect) are just dumb, they are makeing it to where the class will only progress at the learning curve of its slowest student, plus there are those parents who insist that the vegetable child should be in normal classes even though all he does is hit things and drool and that too causes problems.  Smart people move on the dummies....the dummies will always have waterburger..I know thats harsh but such is life, many people dont want to admit that some people just cant hack it so they try to put everyone on the same plane, and of couse that plane is inevetabley going to be a lower end standard to accomadate the mental midgits.  sorry for being so crass, but this country needs a sock in the gut sometimes.

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[AKDejaVu]

 

the dummies will always have waterburger

OK.. I give up... wtf is waterburger?

[LJK Raubvogel]

I'll assume he's referring to Whataburger, it's Texas' version of McDonalds.

[TheWobble]

yup thats right, damn ive heard it called "waterburger" so many times I actually typed it that way, lol  
its kinda like McDonalds, accept its food will give you the toejams AND make ya fat McDonalds just makes ya fat.

[-towd_]

whataburger is alot better than micky ds if only for the reason they are open 24 hours a day and you can get jalopanos on just about ever thing on the menu .


dont mess with Whataburger