Most popular fighter in the MA?

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Roscoroo
I remember when the Chog got Perked for that kinda kill % also ...

Are you sure?  I seem to recall the F4U-1C approaching 25% of arena kills when they decided to perk it.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Casper1]

Originally posted by Roscoroo
1 Spitfire XVI 43991 38519 10.85 1.14

I remember when the Chog got Perked for that kinda kill % also ...

So whats really going on ... Unperk the Chog and the spit 14 ... or balance this out and Perk that pesky spit 16 ....

Or Just rename the MA to the "SPIT 16 Arena"

And while I have your attention ... Whats up with the 50 cals  , they dont seam to have any power anymore ..

"Our 50 cal's would Cut a boxcar in half"   (I forgot who quoted this but it was one of the WW2 Jug Pilots)

 You got my vote.  I am sick of the Spit16 being the uber-free ride it is when the C-Hog and similar rides are perked.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by gofaster
You know what I miss the most about the Spitfire IX?  The option to carry the twin .50s instead of the quad .303s.

Bring back the Brownings!

1942 F IX couldn't carry 50cals.
'e' wing with 50 cals wasn't available until 1944.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Are you sure?  I seem to recall the F4U-1C approaching 25% of arena kills when they decided to perk it.

-- Todd/Leviathn

I wonder what the total number of players back then was? And I wonder how many total kills there were in the tours before the chog was perked.

I'm guessing the spit16 (by itself, now) has more kills than the entire arena back then.

[Kev367th]

Quite possibly.
But 25% is 25%, XVI would have to double and a little bit more to reach those heights.
A 1/4 of all kills irrespective of overall numbers is a hell of a lot.

[Saxman]

Last night in the MA I was in my 1-Hog at 10k heading towards a bogey ib on one of our bases. I'm slightly above him and in a shallow dive to pick up airspeed (~400+ mph). I ID'ed the conn as a Spit 16 so I pull up in a zoom climb to stay above him planning to reverse and dive on him, (I HATE trying to fight co-alt with those things) and as soon as I pass him on the merge I look back and he's climbing RIGHT ON MY SIX and CLOSING. WTFH! A total 180 in the second it took me to switch views after the merge, and he didn't even lose ground!

I hate Spitfires.

[Krusty]

Tour 1 spiked up to 19000 kills. Back then there were hardly ANY players, compared to what we have. It then dropped to between 8000 and 15000 until tour 10 or so, then it jumped radically, averaging 25000 kills, spiking in tour 12 to 39000 kills.

"F4U-1C has 39515 Kills of All models
All models have 29451 Kills of F4U-1C"

Tour 16 is when they perked it, apparently, because at 16 it drops to about 8000 and it averages around there for most of the tours afterwards.

So even in the freak spike up to 39000 kills the chog in its day when it was getting 25% of all the kills in the ENTIRE arena was still getting less kills than the spit16 is now.

Consider that the average at peak time for chog was about 25000 or so, that's nearly been doubled by the spit16.

Okay I just did a check of tour 12 kills and added it up. It comes to roughly 224,000 kills total. Of that the chog got roughly 40,000 (and this was PEAK, highest the chog got by far), which means at best the chog (which disrupted the arena to the point of being PERKED) only had 20% of the kills there. If we go back to 25,000 average for the chog (counting tour 12 as a fluke) then it's down to a mere 10%, which the spit16 has surpassed at this point.

[dedalos]

I love the 16.  It destroied the "Perk the LALAz" threads, muahahahahahaha:lol

[Kev367th]

Krusty -
Just because we have more players the Spit XVI is still only getting around 10% of the kills.
The fact that 10% of the current MA is higher than 25% of a less populated MA is irrelevant.
If it ever hits 25% in the CURRENT MA, they may start looking at perking it.

Think about ENY limits it works the same way -
if x country outnumbers y country by z percent then limit.
NOT
if x country outnumbers y country by 100 players then limit.

[Krusty]

tour 72:
Spitfire Mk XVI has 34256 Kills of All models
All models have 31392 Kills of Spitfire Mk XVI

tour 71:
Spitfire Mk XVI has 43991 Kills of All models
All models have 38519 Kills of Spitfire Mk XVI

tour 70:
Spitfire Mk XVI has 41468 Kills of All models
All models have 36904 Kills of Spitfire Mk XVI


Tour 71 stats: total kills (not counting C47s or ship guns)
about 637,000.

However, please note that GV use took of since tour 12. Tour 71 had 185,000 (roughly) GV/boat kills, leaving the "planes only" kills at about 452,000. That still puts the spit16 at about 10% use.

Going back and picking tour 13 (more average, not the peak) I tallied up the "plane only" kills:

~130,000 kills total. Of that the chog got 23582 kills.

Unless my math is WAAAAY off, that's (23.5 / 130 = 18%), roughly 18% of the total "air" kills.

However, the percentage may be misleading because of the sheer number of players we have now. 10% of spit16 use is STILL almost double the 20% of chog use back in the "teens" tours.

[Kev367th]

How many more players have we now?
Double, triple, more?

Sounds good in theory Krusty, would never hold up in a pure comparison.

25% of 1000 = 250
25% of 10000 = 2500

Still both 25%, doesn't matter one is higher than the other.

Comparing an MA with a lot more players to one with a lot less, and then saying see 10% of our current MA is more than 25% of our old one isn't a viable comparison.

In fact your own figures show there is now over 3x as many kills overall compared to the Chog era. 452k v 130k.
In order for the XVI to reach the CHog it would need over 100,000 kills.

Using your own words -
"10% of spit16 use is STILL almost double the 20% of chog use back in the "teens" tours.

Then factor in there is more than triple (452k v 130k) overall kills, the 10% looks tame compared to the unperked Chog tours.

[Krusty]

It's not just a pure percentage, otherwise it would be cut and dried. There is no way to say "wait until it hits 25%, then perk it" when comparing directly to the chog and its claimed 25%, because the player base has grown so much since then. The chog was by far the most used plane in the arena back when it was perked. The spit16 is used far more than the other "top 3" by an even greater margin than the chog was.

Whatever the chog was during its time, the spit16 is more so currently.

I don't see a perk for a bit, heck the chog took 5 tours or so before it got one (5 tours after use spiked horribly). However I DO see a perk coming in the future.

EDIT: I was using these percentages to show how much use the planes were getting and the similarities between the two cases. I wasn't arguing for "oh it's pure percentage, we perk it on that".

Numbers are just to illustrate the problem.

[Kev367th]

CC -

I added this bit while you were posting I guess -

Using your own words -
"10% of spit16 use is STILL almost double the 20% of chog use back in the "teens" tours.

Then factor in there is more than triple (452k v 130k) overall kills, the 10% looks tame compared to the unperked Chog tours.

Basically the XVI has almost double the kills of the CHog, but in an MA with over triple the overall kills compared to the earlier MA.
Hardly a reason for a perk of any kind.

[Dead Man Flying]

Krusty, we use percentages as a means of comparison for a reason.  I think you currently fail to understand that reason.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Stang]

lolz Krusty.