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« on: February 13, 2006, 12:58:25 AM »
Wuz having a discussion on another BBS about how the bias of press coverage affects our view of battles being fought in Iraq.  And how it affects politics.  And what it would have been like if we'd had to put up with such reporting in WWII.  Somebody posted the link to this website, and I figured yall would get a kick out of it too.

http://www.goodolddogs3.com/If-IwoJima-Happened2day.html

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2006, 05:20:38 AM »
Just in case you didn't know...it all happened last summer;)
http://www.flagsofourfathers.net.

And the USMC Sergeants actually said to the cast: "Fry the SOB's"!

Here's a pic ;)



And last summer:

It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2006, 11:55:13 AM »
I've been following your posts on this Angus, and I'm waiting patiently for it to come out.  :)  Be assured I will be in line for that one.

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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2006, 11:58:45 AM »
I agree SA2.  I was watching something about the fight for Iwo Jima a couple months ago.  One thing that stuck was how the number of Japanese defenders was grossly underestimated.  How would THAT have gone down today?  I guess the newsies would print "Roosevelt underestimates Japanese."  Followed by a daily count of our casualties.  How long would the general public have been able to stomach the war especially since Iwo was assaulted almost four years after Pearl was attacked?  Sure hindsight is 20/20 as they say, and we won.  But how many years would it have taken after Pearl for the newsies to start questioning why we were still at war?  We had one of the largest militaries in the world at that time - why after years have we still not gotten justice for being attacked at Pearl?  

I think there's too much information coming from the newsies now when they cover war.  Too much and too current.  How long did it take to release news of what was happening at the fronts?  There's a line between how much we have a "right" to know and how much we really don't need to know in my opinion.  Even for us here at work, we are reminded that even though we may have clearances, we don't need to know everything - only what we need to do our job.  For example, we didn't need to know so much about that Army sniper in Iraq - his name and rank, and especially the picture of his unit's "hide."  I hope they were long gone when that article came out.  Come to think about it, the PAO probably needs to change what it releases also..

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2006, 12:13:04 PM »
Damn funny link, and it points out with parody, the agenda our media has today.

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2006, 12:15:19 PM »
Its a tough call sometimes.  Things DO happen that are way over the line.  But guess what?  We're at war.  Things blow up, people get hurt and die.  You cant referee a war.  We should have learned that from Vietnam.  People have short memories.  

The objective should be winning.  Period.  If things happen that shouldnt, if civilians wind up as casualties, if some POW's get abused ........... whatever.

Sort it out when its over.  Too many gullible people willing to believe the first thing they hear, and too many so-called "reporters" who dont so much report news as play commentator on issues they dont comprehend.  Thats a bad combination.  Unfortunately for us, gullible people are allowed to vote.

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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2006, 12:51:20 PM »
Oh, and Iraq and Iwo Jima are...OH, SO SIMILAR...:noid

Let's talk about believing the first thing they hear...how many got suckered into this war by believing Iraq:
had links to 9-11
had WMD
the oil production from Iraq's liberation will subsidize the war
Violence wil end with the fall of Fallujah
The insurgency is in its death throes (bonus points for colorful language)

Christ almighty LOL  Lay off the Flavorade :)

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2006, 01:27:57 PM »
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Oh, and Iraq and Iwo Jima are...OH, SO SIMILAR...:noid

Let's talk about believing the first thing they hear...how many got suckered into this war by believing Iraq:
had links to 9-11
had WMD
the oil production from Iraq's liberation will subsidize the war
Violence wil end with the fall of Fallujah
The insurgency is in its death throes (bonus points for colorful language)

Christ almighty LOL  Lay off the Flavorade :)


Wow that didn't take long.  




Personally I think the parody of the coverage is spot on.  All the talking heads adding their 2 cents in all the time, trying to change public opinion to suit their agenda.  

I remember a few days after the invasion of Iraq there was a sand storm and the push was halted for a day.  All over the news you heard "bogged down" "quagmire" "stuck" and nothing but doom and gloom.  Whats bad is the press never seems to end up with egg on their face as much as they should as the invasion of Iraq was one of the fastest known to man kind.

There's been numerous incidences afterwords, one that sticks out was the missing explosives right before the election.  The press and the talking heads got that one 100% wrong.

I think it was Admiral Nimitz that said "an American flag on top of that mountain means a Marine Corps for another 200 years" referring to Iwo Jima.  

Marines

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2006, 02:49:03 PM »
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Wow that didn't take long.  




Personally I think the parody of the coverage is spot on.  All the talking heads adding their 2 cents in all the time, trying to change public opinion to suit their agenda.  

I remember a few days after the invasion of Iraq there was a sand storm and the push was halted for a day.  All over the news you heard "bogged down" "quagmire" "stuck" and nothing but doom and gloom.  Whats bad is the press never seems to end up with egg on their face as much as they should as the invasion of Iraq was one of the fastest known to man kind.

There's been numerous incidences afterwords, one that sticks out was the missing explosives right before the election.  The press and the talking heads got that one 100% wrong.

I think it was Admiral Nimitz that said "an American flag on top of that mountain means a Marine Corps for another 200 years" referring to Iwo Jima.  

Marines



I thought that was Holland "Howling Mad" Smith who said it.   I can't remeber but was he the Divsion comander?

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2006, 03:01:14 PM »
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Oh, and Iraq and Iwo Jima are...OH, SO SIMILAR...:noid

Let's talk about believing the first thing they hear...how many got suckered into this war by believing Iraq:
had links to 9-11
had WMD
the oil production from Iraq's liberation will subsidize the war
Violence wil end with the fall of Fallujah
The insurgency is in its death throes (bonus points for colorful language)

Christ almighty LOL  Lay off the Flavorade :)


As far as my post went, I didn't comment on whether war in Iraq was correct or not.  Although "Iraq" is mentioned, this thread seems to be more about the modern media and it's effect on the public.  SA2 has it spot on:

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Sort it out when its over. Too many gullible people willing to believe the first thing they hear, and too many so-called "reporters" who dont so much report news as play commentator on issues they dont comprehend. Thats a bad combination. Unfortunately for us, gullible people are allowed to vote.


to the US Marine Corps.

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2006, 03:09:23 PM »
I think if Iwo Jima happened today we would not have near as many casualties.  I think it is not defended with as much vigor.  Probably would strain relations with Japan however.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2006, 03:46:37 PM »
^^^

ow. laughed so hard the cat freaked, went into high traction mode and did a pre-emptive launch outta my lap.

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2006, 03:49:06 PM »
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!! the American's used the 'fluffy hammer of death' on the Japanese?

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2006, 04:00:58 PM »
we were both wrong and I mis-quoted

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The raising of that flag on Suribachi means a Marine Corps for the next five hundred years.
James Forrestal, Secretary of the Navy; 23 February 1945
(the flag-raising on Iwo Jima had been immortalized in a photograph by Associated Press photographer Joe Rosenthal)

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2006, 04:15:57 PM »
LOL
Well now we know!