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« Reply #90 on: March 09, 2006, 02:46:01 PM »
Blah, blah, blah, blah.  How many fish can the trolls catch today?  Why is there air?  What happens when I push this button?  I gotta go to the bathroom,  blah, blah, blah, blah.

Poke, poke, poke.  Hmmm.  Getting done.  Not quite burnt enough.
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« Reply #91 on: March 09, 2006, 03:15:14 PM »
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Blah, blah, blah, blah.  How many fish can the trolls catch today?  Why is there air?  What happens when I push this button?  I gotta go to the bathroom,  blah, blah, blah, blah.

Poke, poke, poke.  Hmmm.  Getting done.  Not quite burnt enough.



hehehehehehehe

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« Reply #92 on: March 09, 2006, 03:23:40 PM »
Why is there a clash between USA & Iraq?

answer the question...
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« Reply #93 on: March 09, 2006, 03:31:41 PM »
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When phosphorous grenades are launched on women & children..really..Who cares..?


I don't:rofl

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« Reply #94 on: March 09, 2006, 03:32:12 PM »
When phosphorous grenades are launched on women & children..really..Who cares..?
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« Reply #95 on: March 09, 2006, 03:38:07 PM »
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« Reply #96 on: March 09, 2006, 04:02:09 PM »
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Iran has been in many wars but it hasn't started the war against any country in 300 years. Quite respectable history IMHO.
Oh and I have a reason to think my education is quite good, also history wise.


Let's see what Condoleezza Rice said:
"We (US) may face no greater challenge from a single country than from Iran, whose policies are directed at developing a Middle East that would be 180 degrees different than the Middle East we (US) would like to see developed," Rice said at a congressional hearing.

I wonder when US learns to keep its nose away from others businesses? There hasn't come much good from its foreign policy.
Hell you actually fubared the things with Iran yourself first... read your history books :)


Semantics is a beautiful thing isnt it?  Why should the US keep its "nose" out of the middle east?  No one else has.  Other countries have been "meddling" in that real estate since the Greeks during the Persian wars.  Iran and Iraq are two of the most oil rich countries in the world.  

You may find Iran's history admirable because they havent started a war in a long time.  There's more than one way to start a war.  You can step into someone else's space and try to take their stuff, or you can stand in your own space and taunt someone until they jump over and knock your block off.  Which one "started" it?  Ever since 1979 things have been strained between Iran and just about everyone else in the world.  They've managed to pi$$ off or alienate just about everyone.  If we had been inclined to do so, we could have retaliated against Iran in 79 for their attack on our embassy, and its holding our people hostage.  A embassy is considered "home soil".  Technically they invaded US soil.  While they may not have caused the Iran / Iraq war in the 80s, I dont remember too many folks siding with them.  Almost everyone I can think of was either neutral or aiding Iraq.  Not that we liked Saddam either, but he was easier to deal with than Khomayni.

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« Reply #97 on: March 09, 2006, 04:05:17 PM »
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 Not that we liked Saddam either, but he was easier to deal with than Khomayni.


The current little excursion in Iraq lays bare the error of that statement.
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« Reply #98 on: March 09, 2006, 04:49:08 PM »
SoA2: Do you know what events led to the hostages being taken at the US embassy?

Here we have yet another nation and people who were friendly and supportive of the US, until misguided foreign policy and heavy-handed internal interference turned them into adversaries. The US has been turning allies into adversaries at an alarming pace.

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« Reply #99 on: March 09, 2006, 04:55:35 PM »
I'm rooting for Trichoderma reesei to munch its way to the rescue.
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« Reply #100 on: March 09, 2006, 05:10:38 PM »
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Damn haji's......


just wanted you to know I got it

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« Reply #101 on: March 09, 2006, 05:27:39 PM »
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SoA2: Do you know what events led to the hostages being taken at the US embassy?

Here we have yet another nation and people who were friendly and supportive of the US, until misguided foreign policy and heavy-handed internal interference turned them into adversaries. The US has been turning allies into adversaries at an alarming pace.


I do.  At least I think I do, so correct me if I'm wrong.  Even though I was a bit young still in 79, I was old enough to pay attention to the news.  It was my first glimpse of what screwed up politics could do.  It is my understanding that when Khomayni took over in Iran, and we gave asylum to the Shah, Khomayni began inciting people to protest against US involvement.  A group of students calling themselves the Imam's Discipiles invaded the embassy grounds and took several people hostage, demanding the US return the Shah in exchange for the hostages.


I'm not defending our f***-ups there by any means.  I wholeheartedly agree, our foriegn policy has exacerbated more than one bad situation.  It just means we need to pay attention to the people setting those policys, and make them accountable when they screw up.  I dont see that as a screw up.  We gave the man asylum.

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BTW, do you spell the man's name Khomayni or Khomieni?  I've never been sure of that one.

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« Reply #102 on: March 09, 2006, 05:52:54 PM »
1. Persia / Iran Iran as an non-arab country

Its IRAN - not PERSIA.

In its 2500 years of existance we never called our country Persia but Iran, which means "Land of the Aryans".
It was called Persia by ancient greek historicans because the dynasty of the Achemenids (Cyrus, Xerxes; Darius and so on) came from that province.
While it was called Persia by foreigners until the 20th century the iranians themself never called it so.

It would be the same if I would call the USA "Texas" because the ruling dynasty is from this province.


2. The religion
Once Iran was conquered by the arabs. But while other nations who suffered the same fate were assimilated and gave up their culture and language and became arabs (like egypt or syria) the iranians fought a bitter war and were successful. The iranian language was not replaced by the arab language. The arabs were finally driven out of iran.  And even the religion was transformed by mixing elements of the old iranian religion with islam, creating the shi ´ite islam of today.
Never asked yourself why most of the shi ´ites live in the borders of the old sassanid iranian empire ? Made of today Iran, the eastern province of Iraq, and the western province of Afghanistan - which were once part of the Empire? The old sassanid capital is SE Bagdad.
And even the Mullahs of Shi ´ite islam have the same style of cloth like the old iranian priests.
There is great hate between sunnites and shi ´ites. Both sides consider each other as heretics. That was one reason why Iran supported the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan long before these creatures were defined as bad guys. In these days the Taliban were officially supported by the sunnite Pakistan.
And today the sunnite arab Al kaida is targeting shi ´ites in Iraq - defining them as heretics.

So dont make the mistake by putting these two groups together as allies.

3. Iran during Arab-Israeli War
Someone wrote that he could find march orders of the iranian army to support the arabs.
In fact Iran delivered to Israel oil during Israel-Arab war. The Iranians always considered the sunnite arabs as the enemy. So the construction of an iranian-arab-alliance is ridiculous.
The Shah of Iran made fun of arab guests by welcoming them in official visits in Iran in front of the iranian honor guard which was equipped with israeli UZIs.
Arabs and iranians will never be allies.
Best example was during the Kuwait-Gulf War. While many arab countries sent volonteers to Saddam not a single Iranian supported them (with the exception of the MEK-terrorist, iranian traitors who fought side by side with arabs in iran-Iraq War and still live today in iraq in their military bases).

4. The embassy thing
When the USA and GB destroyed the iranian democracy in the 50ties (Operation Ajay) their command post was the US embassy in Iran.
From there the democratic prime minister Mossadegh who had kicked out the Shah to italian exile in an unbloody revolution, was deposed.
That was a tracig day for Iran, which had managed to create a democracy by itself.

Then there came the decades of Shah-terror. With his Gestapo-like secret police, the SAVAK, he killed tenthousands of iranians per year. In the infamoud Evin-Prison in Teheran thousands of democrats were tortured and killed.

It was well known that the command centre of Operation Ajax was the US embassy in Teheran.

So - when finally the bloody revolution came and the people forced the Shah to leave their country they feared that the history would repeat itself. That another Operation would become reality and the Sha and his terror regime would be reinstalled.

That was one of the reasons why they attacked the embassy. Definitvly a wrong action but not a surprise.


5 Iran and wars
In the last 100 years Iran has not attacked another country. In contrary it was attacked.
In WW1 it declared itself neutral. And was attacked
In WW2 it was pro-german and declared itself neutral. It was occupied by UK and USSR, the Shah was deposed and his son was installed and it was forced to join the allies and declare war to Germany.
After WW2 foreign organisations destroyed our democracy and installed a terror-regime which tortured Iran for 30 years and the result was the next terror regime of the Mullahs
Iraq - in those days under control of the "good guy" Saddam attacked Iran and an 8 year war followed, in which Iraq used Gas-weapons. 130.000 iranian soldiers died because of the effect of these gas weapons.

But again: Iran has not attacked another country in the last 100 years.

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« Reply #103 on: March 09, 2006, 06:02:31 PM »
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I can see it now, Hey First Sargent we got a good news bad news situation, the good news is we are rotating out of Iraq.......


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« Reply #104 on: March 09, 2006, 06:09:48 PM »
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I looked thru you links but to tell the truth I couldn't find a reason for a war between Iran and Israel.

Fact is they don't have common border together but are quite far away from each other. Also Israel is already having a nuclear weapon and I find it quite hard to believe anyone would be such a fool and use nukes first against Israel; they would be sure getting few warheads back in return mail.



The only reason for a war is the lunatic in charge of Iran. You can find it as hard to believe as you want, it wont stop it from happening.






 


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