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Offline straffo

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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2006, 10:43:55 AM »
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was it fun?


Yeahi t's was really fun,except for the bomber who usually never met  their escort but their fate :D

Plus the setup was quite exotic

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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2006, 12:04:30 PM »
if the seafires would be added I believe it would only detract from the premis of the setup.  I believe the setup is good as I suggested.

If you want a seafire setup do a pseudo Taranto strike.  
give the RN a few carriers

TBM
SBD
SeafireII

Italians

MC202
Bf109E

and let the axis whining begin.  this would be challenging for the axis but the 202 can handle the seafires and the 109E is an underrated little monster.

This might also be fun.

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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2006, 01:12:40 PM »
The SeafireII is too new for the Taranto strike being a 1942 bird.  I agree with you Storch the 202 would probably matchup good against it. However if the SeafireII appears it should have to battle it's 1942/43 Luftwaffe counterparts like the 109G2, and 190A5. No disrespect to the Emil.

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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2006, 05:25:48 PM »
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if the seafires would be added I believe it would only detract from the premis of the setup.  I believe the setup is good as I suggested.


I agree, leave it as it was first put up.

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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2006, 08:02:58 PM »
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this could be the basis for a one week set up of F4U-1s and F6F-5s vs 109-G6s and 190-A5s?  we could use the baltic map.

We think we'll run this one, using Baltic map because it's taking some time to get the North Sea map approved.  Storch, would you care to post some more details, such as rear base locations, visibility and radar settings, that sort of thing?  Check the MOTD for the current setup to see the sort of things that are variable.

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2006, 11:25:38 PM »
sure would OM but I might need a refresher on what the baltic map looks like

make A6 A9 A12 and A13 english land bases.  enable Port7 as the spawn point for the RN.

make the S/E quarter of the map as the German bases.  make the rest of the map the neutral country.  Have a cruiser only fleet uncontrollable by players steaming between A42 and A43 with manned ack enabled harden the ships both axis and allied to it's maximum value to represent the difficulty of killing the targets

no possibilty of base capture.

RAF

Lancaster III
Mossies

RN from CVs
TG1
F6F
SBD
TBM

TG2
F4U
SBD
TBM

Axis
109G2
109G6
FW190A5
110G2
Ju88 rear bases only
« Last Edit: May 15, 2006, 11:47:44 PM by storch »

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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2006, 08:37:20 AM »
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if the seafires would be added I believe it would only detract from the premis of the setup.  I believe the setup is good as I suggested.


You really THAT AFRAID of some old Seafires there Storchie?  :rofl  Even with the 109G2, G6 & 190A5? The Seafire II is nothing but a downgraded Spit V - all three of the above German planes outclass it.
Come on - how would it detract from the set-up? Don't see how you can say that with a straight face.

The Seafire was an integral part of the FAA and was about always found aboard their carriers no matter what part of the War and operated alongside the Corsairs, Wildcats, Hellcats till the end of the conflict.

Sorry Storchie - that dog just won't hunt.  :aok
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2006, 09:02:58 AM »
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You really THAT AFRAID of some old Seafires there Storchie?  :rofl  Even with the 109G2, G6 & 190A5? The Seafire II is nothing but a downgraded Spit V - all three of the above German planes outclass it.
Come on - how would it detract from the set-up? Don't see how you can say that with a straight face.

The Seafire was an integral part of the FAA and was about always found aboard their carriers no matter what part of the War and operated alongside the Corsairs, Wildcats, Hellcats till the end of the conflict.

Sorry Storchie - that dog just won't hunt.  :aok
look up my scores and see what I hunt and what I hunt in.  the fact remains that if the seafire is included it will be used almost exclusively as it is the path of least resistance.  just look at this current scenario and look at what the peanut gallery is in at 20k and being all chest thumpy about their aceyness.  I offered up a suggestion for a scenario I thought might be fun rather than critizising mine come up with a proposal of your own.  whether or not the AvA staff ultimately decides to play the scenario is their decision, what they will include as combatants is also their decision.

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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2006, 09:16:34 AM »
The largest amount of kills you have are in the 110G2 and Typhoon. Hmm HOing must be the path of least resistance.

40+ hours already at the middle of the month? How do you get that much free time? Is Amway based in france now?;)

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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2006, 09:40:58 AM »
I don't HO and I don't fly at 20k either.  come to arena and i'll hand you all your parts on each and every sortie.  ;)  with regard to my free time I manage my affairs very judiciously and I utilize the concepts of economy of force and leveraging of my assets.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2006, 09:45:10 AM by storch »

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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2006, 11:41:08 AM »
"I don't HO"  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rolleyes:

I'm going to laughing all afternoon now. Thanks :aok

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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2006, 01:37:19 PM »
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"I don't HO"  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rolleyes:

I'm going to laughing all afternoon now. Thanks :aok
I can see why you would be confused by that statement.  though while true, I don't HO you are obviously not clear on which end of the plane is which and since your last view of anything in the arena is a JG54 player shooting you down you are clearly holding the "six" view far too long.  The big HO players in JG54 are allmetal and more recently wildesau.  The rest of us manueover for a kill.

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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2006, 02:30:14 PM »
If the seafires were in action at the time of the scenario then they should be in it, regardless of anyones thoughts on the plane concerened.
That's like me saying lets leave out the 190 or the G2 whatever because I think it would detract from the scenario.
Not trying to flame or troll here but the whole point of these scenarios is to work together to create fun for all of us, To be honest, it should be left up to guys like OM or anyone with the history books at hand to give us all the low down on what was flying when and where etc.
But I don't think you can just go adding crates or taking crates out of the equation because, well, you feel like it.

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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2006, 02:58:53 PM »
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If the seafires were in action at the time of the scenario then they should be in it, regardless of anyones thoughts on the plane concerened.
 

Long and painful experience has taught us that, if you want a setup to feature a certain plane match, you have to restrict the plane set.  This is especially true with the Spitfire.  If Spits are available, a disproportionate number of people will fly them, and then you completely miss the whole point of the setup (which, in this case, is to show how blue planes might fare against the Luftwaffe).  As a good example, log into the arena tonight.  You almost certainly will find that the vast majority of Allied pilots are flying spitfires, which, of course, is historically very inaccurate.  We don't mind featuring "RAF operations in [name the theater of your choice]" from time to time, but the intent of the next setup is not to have yet another week of Spitfires against 109s and 190s.

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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2006, 03:46:47 PM »
he knows that, he'll be one of them.  last night I had to climb up to 25k to spank him with my 110 while he was in a spit16, refusing to engage only climbing away. a long long shot of 30mm precipitated his departure from the arena as he retired for the evening.

I understand that the spit played a pivotal role in WWII and that it was a fine, perhaps arguably the finest fighter to see service in that era as evidenced by it's long production run and unquestionable success. It was truly a brilliant design from the fertile mind of a talented designer.  In short Reginald Mitchell may have indeed saved Great Britian with his capable fighter.

The problem with the spits in this WWII game is that there is an inexhaustible supply of them and they were nowhere near as good as they are depicted here.  They remained competetive throughout the war but never were they able to totally dominate their opponents.  The kills they got were earned.  In here any dweeb can land kills in a spit while eating jelly donuts and watching pron.

I believe the spitfire in it's AHII iteration has no place in any historical set up where it's numbers can't somehow be limited.  If they were my set ups to host they would be present but three to six sectors back from the front lines.

You have supposedly historical squads that seldomly fly anything else.  case in point, many of the players from the 325th VFG will never fly the P40, P47 or P51.  They will all be found dweebing around at 107k in spitfires, cherry picking fights and a particular player proclaiming his supreme "aceyness" on 200.  The spitfire belongs in the MA.