Author Topic: Skin P-47D-25 - 12AF/57FG/66FS, 42-28307 (pics) (Read 2476 times)

MachNix · « **on:** March 13, 2006, 01:44:02 PM »

P-47D-26(RA)
Pilot: Alan Angelone
Corsica, Italy (March '44 - Sept '44)

Citabria · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2006, 02:32:33 PM »

looks good as always machnix.

i really like the metal it looks nice and oxidized.

i dont like the olive drab anti glare panel though it looks too green too me.

MachNix · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2006, 06:18:18 PM »

Re-worked the green of the anti-glare panel. Added some details to the prop hub. Updated above images – may have to force a reload to see.

Citabria · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2006, 10:07:03 PM »

I like that olive drab much better

Guppy35 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2006, 11:23:00 PM »

Any reason the red cowl ring doesn't go all the way around? All the photos I've seen of 57th birds have it complete, not with the OD panal covering the top.

Looks good otherwise

A color example from the 57th FG history. Note it goes all the way around the nose.

MachNix · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2006, 12:23:44 AM »

Working from this photo:

The anti-glare panel covers the red noseband in the photo. Also the weapon pylons have been painted yellow. The stenciling on the pylon's front fairing has been painted over. The left side is my best guess.

Still looking for an example of a razorback from this unit.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2006, 12:43:55 AM »

Bet that is actually the shadow of the prop blade giving it that impression. Gonna do some hunting for another photo of that particular bird. I'm still thinking it's red all the way around. If you look close at the photo you can see it going all the way around actually

MachNix · « **Reply #7 on:** March 16, 2006, 01:01:45 PM »

The red noseband going all the way around was added at some later date. This photo of "LI'L ABNER II" shows a complete noseband but it was applied some time after the squadron's cowling art was applied. Notice the anti-glair panel is covering part of the white strip. The white strip that covers the top of the "new" red noseband did not have the black outline added. In the first picture, where the prop maybe casting a shadow, notice there are no crisp shadows. The thin overcast is softening the light.

I don't know the history of "LI'L ABNER" and it might have survived long enough to get the complete noseband at some point, but it did not have one in the photo I'm working from. Of course I'm open to any new evidence.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 16, 2006, 05:31:07 PM »

Hmmm.....Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one

Still looks like it goes all the way around and since it was a group wide marking it seems like that would make sense.

Either way the bird looks great

Nice work

Widewing · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2006, 02:02:51 PM »

Gent's, if you have Bodie's P-47 book, turn to page 180. There's a couple of Kodachrome shots of 57th P-47s, including a razorback. There's about 6 Jugs visible in the photos and all have the red band across the top of the cowling.

I suppose that I could scan them on my wife's machine if need be.

My regards,

Widewing

Fencer51 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2006, 09:02:19 AM »

Not that my opinion matters but I am going to give it anyway.

I originally agreed with Machnix but on further examination of the photo the shadows thrown by the gear and wings do follow the same angle that would indicate a shadow from the prop on the nose. Also if you look around the other side of the nose it appears that the red does indeed wrap.

Alot of people don't post their work and thereby don't get any input and possibly submitt incorrect skins. A second or third pair of eyes always makes things more accurate.

Either way, this is a great skin.

Cheers,

Widewing · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2006, 11:00:47 AM »

Here's a scan of the P-47s mentioned above. These are from the 64th squadron or the 57th FG, but all squadrons in the 57th employed the red cowling band and the yellow ID stripes (including painting the pylons yellow).

My regards,

Widewing

MachNix · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2006, 01:58:53 PM »

The original image I was working from was quite large and I did not what to post that large of an image. I cropped out the area in question so you all can get the "full-size" view. The area I'm looking at is around the cowl latch. The shadow would certainly have to cross the latch. Also, if the prop where casting a shadow, it would cross into the white band and you would see some contrast in the white.

In support of Guppy there is a line going over the top on the anti-glare panel. I took this line to be a seam. But it is possible that applying the red over the glare panel is causing the difference in color near the latch. The red paint could be slightly transparent, or the underling glare panel is causing a difference in texture.

I don't know anything about the process when a new aircraft arrived at a base. The red band and squadron badge might have been applied before delivery and not having the red noseband go over the top was an error. So the photo may have been taken 5 minutes before the guy with the red paint and spay gun showed up to fix the error. Maybe the original paint job was correct and the group switched to the full nosebands sometime after the photo. The 57th flew with a mixed bag of razorbacks and bubble tops from the beginning as far as I know. So having a photo of a razorback with a complete noseband is not necessarily proof that the group always had complete nosebands.

I post images to get a peer review as Fencer pointed out. I don't have any problems adding the red over the top even if the conclusion is the red did not go over the top in the photo. I'm sure it would have been added at some point (and it would also help hide the skin stretching in that area). So what do you all think? Go ahead and apply the red over the top?

All opinions matter – whether they count our not is a different story. I appreciate the input.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2006, 02:37:40 PM »

Well, I was wrong. Looks like the antiglare goes all the way to the end of the cowling.

Cheers.

Widewing · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2006, 04:57:10 PM »

Ok, after doing some quick digging I found two photos that verify that MachNix got it right.

First, here's a more clear photo of the original used. It looks like the anti-glare shield extends all the way forward and the cowling band does not extend over the top.

This next photo shows another 66th Jug with the same configuration.

My regards,

Widewing