Author Topic: New ENY gripe (Read 4835 times)

Gato · « **Reply #120 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:08:08 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Good post ... but I think you are guilty as charged.

Did you think that myself and others who do switch sides to try and balance side would get real pissed off due to the fact that we are trying to help but have to PAY for it ... no ... sorry ... but that is not a good idea.

People piss and moan about the ENY cause they are not able to fly the hot rides and by golly they are gonna scream till the cows come home cause they just might have to fly something that is foriegn to them or just might have to fly something that will force them to have to fight instead of flee.

Here ... I got an idea for ya !!!

When ENY goes into effect, if you want to fly a plane that has been disabled by the ENY ... you have to pay perks for it.

Any plane that has been disabled by ENY ... cough up 150 perks to fly it.

Jets and Rockets ... cough up 500 perks to fly it.

That way, you can stay with your precious chess piece country and fly anything you want when you grossly outnumber the other countries ... but ya gotta pay the piper.

Hmmmm. As the old saying goes "If the shoe fits, wear it!" So look in the mirror too.

Okay, why NOT have the ENY planes perks? I'm not sure on the price, but it's an idea. We could use both ideas, how about that?

JMFJ · « **Reply #121 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:21:49 PM »

One will make it quicker and easier but the results are still the same, those with numbers 90% of the time win the map in the long run.

You can only shoot down one guy at a time, which becomes an even harder task when your dodging his 2+ friends even if they are in slower turning/speed planes.

# of players is more powerful then the plane model that's available, at least in the flying aspect of the game.

I find it to take the opposite affect on the ground game, in that if I can up a tiger for 26 perk points and take out on an average 8-10 panzers per run. 3 tigers will make quick work of 18 panzers. But this is a different subject of the jump in effectiveness of the tiger panzer debate.

The point is the eny just seems to prolong the death of the losing country, so my question is "If it don't change the outcome why have it?"

I don't mind flying the other planes hell my record amount of kills I've ever landed was in a f4-1, 9 kills. But just cause I'm willing to give a lower class ride a spin and it's fun for me, doesn't mean it fun for the majority. Most the players utilize the low eny planes majority of the time, besides it's probably safe to say for every old hen like chaingun, shawk, skyrock, bullz, etc... There is 40 newbie/dweeb flyers (usually named 1346j76l2) who don't care if you think they are lame for flying LA7's exclusively.

JMFJ

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #122 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:22:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Gato
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I'm sure most of the resources at HTC are going into CT, but once that is on-line I'm sure they will be hard at work on the MA.

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No ... then they'll be hard at work fixing bugs and exploits in CT ... then they'll look at the MA and the next FE update.

Alky · « **Reply #123 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:33:23 PM »

I predict CT will be about as popular as AvA is after a while.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #124 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:37:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Alky
I predict CT will be about as popular as AvA is after a while.

My concern for CT is (a) the frame rate hit of so many planes, (b) how long canned missions will remain entertaining, and (c) just how many exploits people will find and use (I count ramming and HO'ing as exploits in a mission-based environment).

SlapShot · « **Reply #125 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:38:59 PM »

We could use both ideas, how about that?

Negative ... only mine !!!

I have been an ardent follower of all ENY threads ... right from the intial thread in which "Delirium" proposed the ENY idea, which HT took and ran with. I am a staunch supporter of the ENY.

I'll say this again ... the ENY is NOT ... I repeat ... IS NOT ... a side balancer. We are the balancers ... and I don't believe that HT will ever do anything that will FORCE balancing.

ENY is an enticement to balance sides, along with limiting a grossly overpopulated country from using the "hot rides" to completely dominate and not let the other country or countries get wheels up.

Prior to the ENY, that was the case. Rooks (to no fault of their own ... they just organized better than the other 2) were capable, on a Sunday night, to actually put enough people in the air (with all the hot rides) and keep a country down to the point that practically no one could lift. They were able to provide that amount of cover because they would send waves of the late war aircraft over and over to all fields.

This was bad or was gonna be bad for the HTC bottom line ... hence ENY.

Now ... most pilots for all countries fly the late war planes and NEVER fly anything else. They fly them cause the feel safe in them and can exit stage left if anything gets dicey (God forbid they fight and maybe ... GASP ... get killed). The late war planes become a crutch ... they cannot survive without these speed demons.

Now ... ENY enters the picture and when it hits ... their blankey/crutch has been ripped out from under them and they then proceed to throw a tantrum rather than grow a sack ... suck it up ... and try something new.

SlapShot · « **Reply #126 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:48:53 PM »

There is 40 newbie/dweeb flyers (usually named 1346j76l2) who don't care if you think they are lame for flying LA7's exclusively.

Well ... then it sucks to be them.

They need to take the pacifier out of their mouth, get out of the training diapers and act like "big boys" ... whos testicles have dropped.

Gato · « **Reply #127 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:52:08 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
We could use both ideas, how about that?

Negative ... only mine !!!

I have been an ardent follower of all ENY threads ... right from the intial thread in which "Delirium" proposed the ENY idea, which HT took and ran with. I am a staunch supporter of the ENY.

I'll say this again ... the ENY is NOT ... I repeat ... IS NOT ... a side balancer. We are the balancers ... and I don't believe that HT will ever do anything that will FORCE balancing.

ENY is an enticement to balance sides, along with limiting a grossly overpopulated country from using the "hot rides" to completely dominate and not let the other country or countries get wheels up.

Prior to the ENY, that was the case. Rooks (to no fault of their own ... they just organized better than the other 2) were capable, on a Sunday night, to actually put enough people in the air (with all the hot rides) and keep a country down to the point that practically no one could lift. They were able to provide that amount of cover because they would send waves of the late war aircraft over and over to all fields.

This was bad or was gonna be bad for the HTC bottom line ... hence ENY.

Now ... most pilots for all countries fly the late war planes and NEVER fly anything else. They fly them cause the feel safe in them and can exit stage left if anything gets dicey (God forbid they fight and maybe ... GASP ... get killed). The late war planes become a crutch ... they cannot survive without these speed demons.

Now ... ENY enters the picture and when it hits ... their blankey/crutch has been ripped out from under them and they then proceed to throw a tantrum rather than grow a sack ... suck it up ... and try something new.

As always, only you are right. I guess that is what is means to be a BK! IF you would spend as much time in the game as you do in the forums, maybe you would see some of what others see. So, please, take your own advise and "grow a sack...suck it up...and try something new."

There are over 5000 people who play this game, you are NOT the end all, always right individual you seem to think you are.

BTW, I'm beginning to believe one of the reasons you change sides is NOT for balance, but because you don't want to lose your "ride". I may be wrong on this, I'm not sure what you "fly" when you can break away from here. IF I'm wrong, it isn't the first time, but I doubt you will admit as much.

In any case I still ~~you.~~

dedalos · « **Reply #128 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:52:09 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
We could use both ideas, how about that?

Negative ... only mine !!!

I have been an ardent follower of all ENY threads ... right from the intial thread in which "Delirium" proposed the ENY idea, which HT took and ran with. I am a staunch supporter of the ENY.

Hmm, and I thought it was my idea

SlapShot · « **Reply #129 on:** March 27, 2006, 04:18:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Gato
As always, only you are right. I guess that is what is means to be a BK! IF you would spend as much time in the game as you do in the forums, maybe you would see some of what others see. So, please, take your own advise and "grow a sack...suck it up...and try something new."

There are over 5000 people who play this game, you are NOT the end all, always right individual you seem to think you are.

BTW, I'm beginning to believe one of the reasons you change sides is NOT for balance, but because you don't want to lose your "ride". I may be wrong on this, I'm not sure what you "fly" when you can break away from here. IF I'm wrong, it isn't the first time, but I doubt you will admit as much.

In any case I still ~~you.~~

Oh Gato ... don't get heated ... it's not becoming on you. Leave the squad BS to the side ... the squad has nothing to do with my opinions.

I have spent plently of time in this game ... more than I would like to admit and I would have to say ... I have seen it all in the 5+ years that I have been playing this game. I might spend more time back in the MA after CT starts up and most of the tools move to that arena.

I don't need to suck it up ... anymore ... there was a time when I did ... and I did just that. Now I have no need for the safer rides ... I could care less what the ENY is because there isn't anything in the hangar that I can't fly and be deadly in ... why ? ... because I wasn't afraid to die and learned the hard way ... I died alot.

I change cause I don't want to lose my ride ... LOL ... too funnay and yes ... you are wrong ... sorry.

Here are my top 5 rides this tour ...

Model.....Kills in
FM2......56
A6M5b......42
Hurricane Mk IIC....37
La-7....24
Spitfire Mk XVI....19

Yeah ... I am bailing to the other side so I can fly that uber FM2 or ... wait ... the terminator Zeke ... ... and let's not forget the ever dominating Hurr IIC ... known to run down anything in the game.

I don't know how many people play this game and I doubt you do too ... and I know that I am not the "end all" ... but this is a public board and one is allowed to express one's opinion ... and that is exactly what I do ... express my opinion ... if ya don't like them ... sorry 'bout that.

<~~> to you too !!!~~

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #130 on:** March 27, 2006, 05:00:15 PM »

FWIW I rarely fly anything with an ENY under 15, unless I need to lug ord. And I never use the re-arm pad, always replane. I think I may have flown a perked plane all of twice in five years so I could care less about streaks.

Bottom line is a lot of us fly where we fly because we know people there, it don't matter what we have available to fly. And a lot of us don't care about perks or "atta boys." The more experienced a player is the less what plane he flies matters to him or to how well he does.

Gato · « **Reply #131 on:** March 27, 2006, 05:05:39 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Oh Gato ... don't get heated ... it's not becoming on you. Leave the squad BS to the side ... the squad has nothing to do with my opinions.

I have spent plently of time in this game ... more than I would like to admit and I would have to say ... I have seen it all in the 5+ years that I have been playing this game. I might spend more time back in the MA after CT starts up and most of the tools move to that arena.

I don't need to suck it up ... anymore ... there was a time when I did ... and I did just that. Now I have no need for the safer rides ... I could care less what the ENY is because there isn't anything in the hangar that I can't fly and be deadly in ... why ? ... because I wasn't afraid to die and learned the hard way ... I died alot.

I change cause I don't want to lose my ride ... LOL ... too funnay and yes ... you are wrong ... sorry.

Here are my top 5 rides this tour ...

Model.....Kills in
FM2......56
A6M5b......42
Hurricane Mk IIC....37
La-7....24
Spitfire Mk XVI....19

Yeah ... I am bailing to the other side so I can fly that uber FM2 or ... wait ... the terminator Zeke ... ... and let's not forget the ever dominating Hurr IIC ... known to run down anything in the game.

I don't know how many people play this game and I doubt you do too ... and I know that I am not the "end all" ... but this is a public board and one is allowed to express one's opinion ... and that is exactly what I do ... express my opinion ... if ya don't like them ... sorry 'bout that.

<~~> to you too !!!~~

No, I'm not getting heated. I'm too old for that. And the only reason I said anything about the BK is because a few of your mates seem to hold very close to your view point. Adding little to nothing to the conversation but chastising and belittleing those who view things differently.

I agree with you, these are open forums and opinion is what is looked for. IS it so hard to show a constructive opinion in place of unadulterated antipathy for others?

I, once more, you for your skills in the game. Though they were not in doubt. But it is also very evident you are unable to admit when you are wrong.

I do not know the number of people playing to the last person, but I DO know it is over 5000. This information can be found by looking at the ranking of people playing. I have seen a rank of 5001. As each person has a rank when they have played at least one day and no rank when they have not, it is easy to see there has to be over 5000. Go into the game and look at the roster. Almost anytime you do, you can see at least one person with no ranking. Enter logic!

Now, you and I have bantered enough on this tread off subject. May we get on with the subject at hand without the colorful, yet unconstructive repartee?

SlapShot · « **Reply #132 on:** March 27, 2006, 07:07:25 PM »

IS it so hard to show a constructive opinion in place of unadulterated antipathy for others?

Come on ... because I don't agree with what other have said or whined about and I voice my views. I have been constructive. I have tried to enlighten those who believe the urban myth that ENY is a side balancer ... it is not.

What gets my goat is you hear from those when there is pee in their pool, but never hear from them when the pee is in someone elses pool ... and I let them know about it ... sorry 'bout that.

But it is also very evident you are unable to admit when you are wrong.

There is no right or wrong ... there is your opinion/views, mine, and the others. We all have a point to prove. I never said I was RIGHT and you were WRONG.

May we get on with the subject at hand without the colorful, yet unconstructive repartee?

Sure ... original poster wants to do something along the lines of stopping people from switching sides cause it's causing him angst and aguish having to deal with ENY. It's all about him ... and to everyone else. He didn't think it thru all the way ... only from his viewpoint and what was good for him ... no thanks.

I don't want any more restrictions on when I can switch sides and I have and will continue to voice my opinions and reasons as to why HT should not entertain that idea/thought.

And again I will advise those who cringe at the thought of having ENY take their crutch away from them ... grow a pair <--- constructive advise.

Morpheus · « **Reply #133 on:** March 27, 2006, 07:10:31 PM »

SLapshot rules.

Docc · « **Reply #134 on:** March 27, 2006, 07:16:49 PM »

How about we eliminate ENY completely and make a country's defensive tools stronger than the offensive tools?

As it is now it is too easy to de-ack a base and set up the vulch. The ostis and m16s aren't anywhere near as accurate for most people as they were before the patch, so the are easier to get in close to kill, and its still easy to take down the field's vh to eliminate that threat. Give us more and better and harder AA guns so the underdog has at least a chance of holding off the horde and you will hear a lot less complaints about the numbers imbalance.

The manned 37mm field gun is the most accurate gun in the game now (other than the manned 5" guns on cvs) but but its range is very limited. Due to shell ballistics it appears its best killing range is about 1000 and it is incapable of hitting a bomber flying level 3000 AGL. Its rediculous when a single Spit can sweep in, fire a burst at 1100 while sawing its rudder, and fly away before the manned ack can even aim. And of course those .303s hardly ever miss; 2 pings and the gun is dead.

IRL the defense always had the advantage. In this game its the other way around and the underdogs are nothing but cannon fodder.