Author Topic: Why unions still suck (Read 3200 times)

Urchin · « **Reply #105 on:** March 31, 2006, 07:43:12 PM »

Thanks for that, ahem, respectful post. It sure added a lot to the conversation.

Chairboy · « **Reply #106 on:** March 31, 2006, 07:50:55 PM »

My pleasure! As a small business owner, I guess that I'm seen as "the enemy" of my union friends. It's funny, not all business owners are fat cat executives smoking cigars lit with $100 bills.

Criticizing merit-based wages set by market forces sounds kinda communist to me, but then again.... I'm the enemy.

Urchin · « **Reply #107 on:** March 31, 2006, 07:57:02 PM »

No, I really don't consider small business owners to be the "enemy". The problem is that most small business owners are stupid and greedy, so they help the large business owners tear down pro-"little people" regulations (employee, consumer protections) thinking that whats good for the goose is good for the gander. That is true, until the big box version of whatever small business you run moves into town and runs you out of business.

SNO · « **Reply #108 on:** March 31, 2006, 07:59:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Corrupt, arrogant ones (most of them from what I can tell). I really do not give a rats poop about the unions, nor anyone else's opinion about them. They can all drop off a cliff and I will not blink an eye over it.
They are a plague on humanity and only there out of greed and some cheesy notion of power. Not any better than the terrorists who took out the towers.

I am a Union member and can see that you aren't, but I still would never want anything to happen to you such as dropping off a cliff or being referred to as a terrorist and really hope you didn't mean that about me.
AFL-CIO local 258 certified natural gas lines welder.

Urchin · « **Reply #109 on:** March 31, 2006, 08:03:30 PM »

No, he didn't mean it about any particular union member, because I think that would constitute being disrespectful. Unless maybe he asked you to fall off a cliff and called you a terrorist politely. Like "Please go jump off a cliff, you filthy unionite terrorist!".

Anyway... it was just rhetoric, he doesnt actually want you to jump off a cliff.

SNO · « **Reply #110 on:** March 31, 2006, 08:08:04 PM »

"Me" was as in any union member, as it takes union membership to have a union at all.

Chairboy · « **Reply #111 on:** March 31, 2006, 08:41:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
No, I really don't consider small business owners to be the "enemy". The problem is that most small business owners are stupid and greedy,

Oh gosh! I don't want to be stupid and greedy! I recant my ways, I have been SHAMED! Please sir, put me down as a union supporter sir!

I'm not stupid... I'm not!

EDIT: Removed great big 'ol exaggerated rolleyes.gif for readability.

Urchin · « **Reply #112 on:** March 31, 2006, 08:53:31 PM »

Relax, relax... I never said YOU were stupid and greedy. I'm sure you are a fine, upstanding small business owner. IIRC, you run a pizza shop or something, don't you?

Chairboy · « **Reply #113 on:** March 31, 2006, 08:56:55 PM »

Of course not, you never tell someone that THEY'RE the stupid one. No, just imply that some unspecified third person would be stupid if they did X or Y. This makes the target either change their position or else tacitly accept that they've just been called stupid.

Pretty subtle, my 4 year old almost missed it when he read the thread.

LePaul · « **Reply #114 on:** March 31, 2006, 09:26:05 PM »

The government becoming involved in things via OSHA releives the old argument of unions "protecting" employees.

If you wish to artificially inflate wages based on thoughts like "deserve"...then there's your union chants.

Unions can never be competitive, they cant by design. The seldom, if ever, give up anything to keep their livelihood. They always want more, more more.

Urchin · « **Reply #115 on:** March 31, 2006, 09:29:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Of course not, you never tell someone that THEY'RE the stupid one. No, just imply that some unspecified third person would be stupid if they did X or Y. This makes the target either change their position or else tacitly accept that they've just been called stupid.

Pretty subtle, my 4 year old almost missed it when he read the thread.

Have it your way then.

Urchin · « **Reply #116 on:** March 31, 2006, 09:34:07 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
The government becoming involved in things via OSHA releives the old argument of unions "protecting" employees.

If you wish to artificially inflate wages based on thoughts like "deserve"...then there's your union chants.

Unions can never be competitive, they cant by design. The seldom, if ever, give up anything to keep their livelihood. They always want more, more more.

Unions aren't designed to be competitive, they are designed to force corporations to share the wealth with the workers.

Besides, you'll get your wish soon enough, IIRC there has already been legislation passed limiting who is eligible for overtime, and the government is standing by encouraging various corporations to ditch pension plans, medical benefits, and other "union mandated" employee safety nets. You can't even go with a "boosh is evil" type rant here, since politicians of both parties are equally anti-labor, the Repug's are just more honest about it.

Personally I hope everyone that is priviliged enough to post here on these boards can maintain their lifestyle in the face of increasing global "competition". I really don't think it is going to happen... I have a feeling that quite a few folks here aren't as important as they think they are.

Hangtime · « **Reply #117 on:** March 31, 2006, 09:41:45 PM »

"I'M RITCH, BEEEYACTCH!!!"

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #118 on:** March 31, 2006, 10:06:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
Unions aren't designed to be competitive, they are designed to force corporations to share the wealth with the workers.

Well you just pointed out the problem with unions.

In the real world, when your company is not competitive, they go out of buisness.

Unions force companies to pay workers more then the job they do is worth(in some cases). That cost adds to the product. That raises the price. When your competiter does not use union labor, and puts out a better product at a cheaper price, all those union workers getting paid to much to do the job will be out of work.

Many UAW workers are going to find this out very soon. Those UAW union leaders won't care, they will be laughing themselfs to sleep in their million $ homes.

The sadest part about this whole thing is you can't see that most big union leaders are the same as the corporate leaders you despise.

Shaky · « **Reply #119 on:** March 31, 2006, 11:14:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
the Repug's

Self identified Democratic Underground troll...figures.