Author Topic: Why unions still suck (Read 3196 times)

Urchin · « **Reply #60 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:47:45 PM »

See Rule #4 (take it to email if you have a problem with me or anyone else)

Hangtime · « **Reply #61 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:47:55 PM »

Agian, blight or not; the unions have establised a wage/benefit scale that even non - union shops emulate.. just to keep the unions out. Kill the unions you kill decent work conditions, hours, wages and benefits... everywhere.

And, but for that one small important detail; I'd tend to agree with yah completely.

Choocha · « **Reply #62 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:51:28 PM »

General Motors spends, on average, $150,000 per year Excluding benifits for thier Janitors. WHY you ask? Because in the UAW, the career path END's with being a janitor. YES, thats RIGHT, they desire and want to end up as Janitors. It takes years to make it. If you had any self-respect you would think that cleaning toilets is the last thing you want to do. But for them, a Janitor is free and away from the assembly line. That means its an easy job (the easiest of them all). Maybe they work 3 hrs doing half bellybutton work and the rest of the time they hide away sleeping.

I know one Janitor on third shift who ran a succesful auto detailing shop during the day. I asked him when he slept and he said "at work" and didn't even flintch. It's a culture of scamming, violence, and crime.

Urchin · « **Reply #63 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:54:32 PM »

Chooca, if you don't mind me asking... what kind of business do you operate?

Choocha · « **Reply #64 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:55:56 PM »

I'm a engineer

Skuzzy · « **Reply #65 on:** March 31, 2006, 12:56:08 PM »

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So... unions, fighting for improved benefits for workers won concessions from corporations that led to improved conditions for everyone.

Even you, who hate unions with a passion, will admit this, correct?

And you expect that those corporations, who were forced to make concessions, will VOLUNTARILY keep any of those concessions in place were they not forced to?

Why would you believe this?

I believe it happened 50 years ago. Today, I see no benefit from unions. All I see is waste, arrogance, corruption, and so on. Nothing beneficial about any of that.

I see one dead family member, one home and business destroyed. I see lazy people (the ones I personally know) getting paid outrageous salaries for doing little to nothing.

Let me save you some time. You are not ever going to convince me unions are a good thing, today.

ASTAC · « **Reply #66 on:** March 31, 2006, 01:01:13 PM »

My pay and benefits are pretty good...No thanks to any union..in fact It's illegal for my profession to form a union.

Mustaine · « **Reply #67 on:** March 31, 2006, 01:07:07 PM »

I have not yet seen anyone discuss the extra costs of the current unions being passed on down to the consumers.

with all the overhead the companies pay for salaries, they pass the cost on, at least in every situation i have witnessed.

Choocha · « **Reply #68 on:** March 31, 2006, 01:12:26 PM »

Yep good point,

And it makes me proud to see our economic system finally catching up with the UAW.

For, years the American Consumer was funding this criminal outlaw organization. But no more.

Get the Popcorn ready because a very large dinosaur is about to CROAK.

mietla · « **Reply #69 on:** March 31, 2006, 01:25:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
So... unions, fighting for improved benefits for workers won concessions from corporations that led to improved conditions for everyone.

Even you, who hate unions with a passion, will admit this, correct?

Everyone?

Union members simply extort money from the rest of us.

Don't tell me that you think that the corporations pay for your goodies. They do not, they just pass the cost to the customers (the rest of us), or fold and ship your job to India or Mexico.

Those bastards.

Everybody should be paid what he is worth. Not based on the group membership, but based on what he can produce. Effort does not count, the result does.

Sandman · « **Reply #70 on:** March 31, 2006, 01:33:43 PM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
My pay and benefits are pretty good...No thanks to any union..in fact It's illegal for my profession to form a union.

You're underpaid. Bet on it.

Choocha · « **Reply #71 on:** March 31, 2006, 01:37:51 PM »

LOL !!!!!

what about me???

Sandman · « **Reply #72 on:** March 31, 2006, 01:39:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Choocha
LOL !!!!!

what about me???

No idea.

I used to be in the same line of work as ASTAC.

Urchin · « **Reply #73 on:** March 31, 2006, 02:12:56 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla
Everyone?

Union members simply extort money from the rest of us.

Don't tell me that you think that the corporations pay for your goodies. They do not, they just pass the cost to the customers (the rest of us), or fold and ship your job to India or Mexico.

Those bastards.

Everybody should be paid what he is worth. Not based on the group membership, but based on what he can produce. Effort does not count, the result does.

Sure, and once corporations finally get rid of unions, we can return to the glory days of the late 19th century. Unions won some important concessions that are taken for granted today as "status quo".

Slowly but surely, we are returning to the day of Lassez-Faire capitalism, and I imagine that if there is any coherent form of civilization in a couple hundred years (assuming we "stay the course", your descendants and those of everyone else will be a special sort of "subject" that is so despised on this interesting board o' contradictions.. a McSubject.

But it will be a slow process, corporations will have to buy politicians slowly in the beginning, and continue to crush the spirit and will to resist of the "common man". Medical benefits? Cya. In the near future, the only people that will be able to afford medical care will be the "elite" (corporate officers, CEOs, and their families). 5 days a week, 8 hours a day? Inefficient. Lets try 5 days a week, 10 hours a day, to start. If we still can't "compete", then maybe 6 days, 14 hours. Overtime? How on earth can American corporations compete in a GLOBAL ECONOMY if they have to pay OVERTIME?

In short, the life your grandchildren will live will be nasty, brutish, and short, unless you happen to be a millionaire. But at least "America" will be able to compete, her economy will be stronger than ever, and the wealthiest 1% will be better off than ever before.

But the really awesome thing is that the wealthiest 50% (the "middle class") buys into the idea that the wealthiest 1% will share... lol. The bottom 40% has already been sucked dry by the corporations... to stay competitive they need YOUR wealth (well, your money anyway, since very few people outside of the top 10% have any "wealth").

Skuzzy · « **Reply #74 on:** March 31, 2006, 02:18:06 PM »

If our society is really in that bad of shape, then we are dead already. I mean, if we really have to depend on the graft, corruption, and arrogance of the unions, we are in deeper poo-poo than I thought.

Trading one evil for another is never a win.