"The Era of Arafat is Over!"

[Nashwan]

Some quotes from Sharon

No one will touch Judea and Samaria [the occupied West Bank]! Or Gaza either! (Judea and Samaria) belong to us. They have been ours for thousands of years, eternally.
August 1982

Yes, I am for the expulsion of anyone who throws a stone in the occupied territories.
March 16 1988

But while the civilian deaths were a tragedy, the Kibbiya (sic) raid was also a turning point. After so many defeats and demoralising failures it was now clear that Israeli forces were again capable of finding and hitting targets far behind enemy lines.
On the commando raid he led in 1954, in which 69 civilians were killed in the Jordanian village of Qibiya, from his autobiography Warrior, published by Simon and Shuster, New York, 1989

Standing with the cabinet ministers on a high hill, I pointed out exactly what I thought was needed. If in the future we wanted in any way to control this area, I told them, we would need to establish a Jewish presence now. Otherwise we would have no motivation to be there during difficult times later on.
On his plan to move Jewish settlers into the Gaza Strip in the early 1970s, from Warrior

I never accepted the Oslo agreement as it was.
January 5 2000  http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,434618,00.html

Regarding Sabra and Shatila, where the Israeli army stood back and allowed a Lebanese militia to massacre a couple of thousand civilians, the Kahan inquiry, led by an Israeli supreme court judge, ruled that Sharon bore responsibility for the massacre, and was in a position to know what would happen when he allowed the militia into the camp.

Sharon doesn't want peace. He believes that the West Bank and Gaza are part of Israel, and all his life he has been fighting to absorb those areas into Israel.
Sharon is similar to Milosovic in many ways. He has tried to expand the borders of his country, he has used ethnic cleansing and massacres of civilians to achieve that aim.

Look at the Qibiya raid. A group of men cross the border under cover of darkness, and attack a village, throwing bombs into houses and shooting anyone who comes out. Those men were Israelis, led by Sharon. How does that make him any different from a Palestinian terrorist?

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[Nashwan]

And just so you know. I do want the Palestinians to have their own state. You may remember that they almost did. I seem to remember a few years back that Isreal accepted one of Clinton's deals but there was a stumbling block on the Palestine side. That silly little clause in their charter or constitution, what ever they call it, that calls for the destruction of the Isreali state. They wouldn't take it out. Would you want somebody who'd main goal in life was to kill you and your family forcing living next door to you and forcing himself on to your property all the time?

They voted to remove it on the 14th December 98.

In fact, it is largely Israel that has reneged on the agreements. The Oslo accord called for the release of all Palestinian prisoners held by Israel, who had committed their crimes prior to 1993. In the event, Israel released only about 70% of them. The Wye accord called for another 750 to be released, but israel released mainly those convicted of normal criminal acts, not the members of PLO, Hamas etc agreed to.
The transfer of land agreed to at Oslo and Wye River has also been delayed or postponed by Israel, to protect the settlers, whose numbers have been increasing dramatically in recent years.

[StSanta]

Arafat is in deep doo doo.

The Israelis call the murder of the minister their "11th". As such, they're using the very same arguments against the Palestinians as the US is doing against the Taliban - you're harboring terrorists.

If Arafat gives them up, he'll have war with his own people. If he does not, he'll have war with Israel.

Man, the world today is like a glass house filled with gun powder occupied by seven year olds with matches. Ugh.

[Hangtime]

Man, the world today is like a glass house filled with gun powder occupied by seven year olds with matches. Ugh.

Yep... retarded 7 year olds at that.

Scary. And worse thena the Missile Crisis.. to many players in this mess; all or any can touch it off.

[Toad]

The species learns something from every disaster.

World War II was a cataclysmic disaster; we survived and improved. (Note: improved does not imply perfection.)

If we survive the coming problems, the species will improve.

If we don't, we have only ourselves to blame and the cockroaches get to rule the earth after all.

(Head Cockroach: "The Carpenter Ants must die! They don't believe in the Great Coackroach that is the Father of Us All!)

Laugh. It's life and it isn't perfect.

[easymo]

To late toad.  Here in east Texas the roach's are big enough to wear Hats and boots, and they are already taking over.

[Toad]

Easy, if it's only two boots, those are just normal politicians.

If it's six boots... look out!

[Red Ant]

You guys in Tx must have never seen a NYC cockroach. Now THOSE mothers are tough. And they f*ckin FLY - ugh!. Otoh, i've never been so grossed out as during a visit to Tx in September, during one of your regulary scheduled cricket plagues of Biblical Proportions. Man, it was like a Hitchcock movie, and the entire state smelled like DEATH. <shudder>

[Udie]

Originally posted by Red Ant:
You guys in Tx must have never seen a NYC cockroach. Now THOSE mothers are tough. And they f*ckin FLY - ugh!. Otoh, i've never been so grossed out as during a visit to Tx in September, during one of your regulary scheduled cricket plagues of Biblical Proportions. Man, it was like a Hitchcock movie, and the entire state smelled like DEATH. <shudder>

 Crickets are a mess this time of year, but our roaches not only fly... THEY BITE!!!!    

[fd ski]

Udie, if i wanted to call you a Nazi, i would have.
Franly political correctness never bothered me much.

There was way more to Nazi philosophy then just simple racism and hate. If you studied your history you'd find that most contries of western europe at that time and US had some soft of hate/rasism based policies in effect. One might argue that in USA it took till 60s to have it removed.
As such, my comment was towards overwhealming global mindset during those days. If you choose to associate it with Nazism, that's your choice.

As for the rest of your post, I'm afraid that you're proving my point.
Did you have any palestinian neighbours when you were 10 ?

Eagler, my post was mostly directed some of the views of current "israel/palestine" developments and commencts on this board.
But it applies to everything i guess  

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[easymo]

Everything down here bites, stings, burns,pokes, or gives you the finger.  The worst is a GD caterpillar.

[Hangtime]

..or gives you the finger. The worst is a GD caterpillar.

Yah; takes the critter 20 minutes to finish flippin you off.. not unlike our NYC cabbies.