Author Topic: Calling out the AH P38 drivers (Read 1630 times)

AutoPilot · « **Reply #30 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:13:14 PM »

The axis prevailed karnak.

I can't see?but yet you cry about the F3 view............

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #31 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:15:10 PM »

I'd say the Axis won.

One thing I notice about these fast action set ups. It gives a distinct advantage to the defenders, especially if it pits heavily fuel loaded American iron against light weight Japanese planes in combat between bases in relatively close proximity,and also having a specific and known target. You'll almost invariably find Japanese fighters at 27K and up diving on the American planes as they cruise and climb slowly. Last night was no exception. As part of the lead group of P-38's, we circled back several times to stay close in front of the strung out bombers. When we were bounced, we were at 20-21K, with tanks on, at 180-200MPH. We were bounced by a string of Japanese fighters shallow diving from 25K to 27K. Not making excuses, just saying that when that happens, the escorts start out just trying to stay alive, and have no chance of really protecting anything but themselves, at least for a while. By that time, the defenders have time to get to the bombers.

That is just part of life when you have a fast action short time event, and there is little that can be done about it. Anything you might do will either prevent the action, or make the time frame considerably longer.

Bronk · « **Reply #32 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:41:21 PM »

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Originally posted by AutoPilot
The axis prevailed karnak.

I can't see?but yet you cry about the F3 view............

No comment on the rest ehhh. Go crawl back into your dark corner .

Also i was under the impression snap shot was run like a mini fso.
I had asked in the fso why F3 was enabled and was promptly told because all guns cant be manned at once. So F3 is suppose to simulate the eyes of multi gunners.

Auto if you have a problem with that take it up with the CM's.

Bronk

Karnak · « **Reply #33 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:43:08 PM »

Captain Virgil Hilts,

Sounds like a reasonable analysis to me. That does make it realy hard on the escorts as ideally they should be above the attacking fighters and able to dive on them to help the bombers. Having the attacking fighters start with a 6k+ advantage really throws that out the window.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #34 on:** June 01, 2006, 02:55:20 PM »

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Captain Virgil Hilts,

Sounds like a reasonable analysis to me. That does make it realy hard on the escorts as ideally they should be above the attacking fighters and able to dive on them to help the bombers. Having the attacking fighters start with a 6k+ advantage really throws that out the window.

That's just the way it seems to happen. I'm not really complaining, as it forces an extra challenge. However, it does skew the results some, and that upsets many. We were the highest of the escorts, there were five or six, including a few good P-38 pilots (I don't put myself in that category, I have my moments but I'm barely decent at best), and we were bounced from above.

I saw this happen in a recent FSO as well. In all three frames we were below the enemy regardless of what happened. In American iron, only a fool or a truly gifted genius climbs to fight a Japanese plane. Again, if you are going to have a short duration event, with a defined target the defense is aware of, it is going to be that way, and little can be done about it.

Shifty · « **Reply #35 on:** June 01, 2006, 03:35:23 PM »

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3rd I think there was a griefer in the mix. After checking the log matell shot down not 1.. not 2... but yes folks all 3 of the buff commanders B24s.
Something rotten in Denmark me thinks. No offence to the people from Denmark.

And since auto flies in da shade no idea how he did.

Bronk

Bronk.
There was no griefer. Mattel is new, and fragged 2slow by accident. In fact being his first time to man the guns on a buff, he probably couldn't have done it on purpose if he tried. I questioned him this morning, and he had no idea he had killed anybody but he stated he did fire at a Ki-61. Chalk it up to FNG. He just got to where he can fly fighters,there was a shortage of buffs so we got stuck in 24's.

BTW AutoPilot flies as Todd420.

Bronk · « **Reply #36 on:** June 01, 2006, 04:10:48 PM »

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Bronk.
There was no griefer. Mattel is new, and fragged 2slow by accident. In fact being his first time to man the guns on a buff, he probably couldn't have done it on purpose if he tried. I questioned him this morning, and he had no idea he had killed anybody but he stated he did fire at a Ki-61. Chalk it up to FNG. He just got to where he can fly fighters,there was a shortage of buffs so we got stuck in 24's.

BTW AutoPilot flies as Todd420.

Thanx shifty FNG is tolerable. It just looked funny when 2slows whole box was shot down buy him.

Thanx for the info.
Ohh and MR Mouth shot down NADA no assists either. Must be too dark in the shade to see the buffs.

Bronk

Shifty · « **Reply #37 on:** June 01, 2006, 05:40:53 PM »

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Thanx shifty FNG is tolerable. It just looked funny when 2slows whole box was shot down buy him.

Thanx for the info.
Ohh and MR Mouth shot down NADA no assists either. Must be too dark in the shade to see the buffs.

Bronk

Yeah he feels crappy about it. I've been flying AW, WB's, and AH for years, and last night was my first time in a B24. So I can imagine how lost he was. I would have rather been in a 38, but the squad flew 24's because that what was needed. Aplogies to the Allies.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #38 on:** June 01, 2006, 05:43:07 PM »

No apology needed. Most of us knew what we were in for, and we played anyway. It's just a game. I still had a good time.

Murdr · « **Reply #39 on:** June 01, 2006, 06:28:02 PM »

Washed two Jap windscreens with blood and oil. Distracted or delayed 3 more from making more than one pass on the nearest buff group. Loitered for straglers, and RTB'd. I could AAR a few operational issues, but that isn't important to me. I had fun, and had the opportunity to fly with a few people I don't link up with often. That's what matters to me .

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #40 on:** June 01, 2006, 06:32:20 PM »

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Thanx for the info.
Ohh and MR Mouth shot down NADA no assists either. Must be too dark in the shade to see the buffs.

Bronk

That also pretty much describes his record flying againt the P-38 in any plane. And to think he actually thought he was trainer material.

ack-ack

Shifty · « **Reply #41 on:** June 01, 2006, 06:37:53 PM »

I had one fighter get a run on my B-24s. He did a pretty fair job in one pass. I got PW'd and hung on that plane until I bled out. That was the only Japanese fighter that got close to me. The little friends in the 38's did an outstanding job from my POV.

AutoPilot · « **Reply #42 on:** June 01, 2006, 07:28:14 PM »

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Auto if you have a problem with that take it up with the CM's.

I,m not the one on here crying about anything.

You guys really think your that special don't you?

You should all form a squad called:Hitech's Nuttsack Riders

Pretty good call on my part last nite seeing as i was the axis CO,you guys are so predictable,and the majority of the people that were axis were under 18.

Shifty · « **Reply #43 on:** June 01, 2006, 07:59:31 PM »

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Last time they ran this scenario i bagged 3 -38's.You act like no one can shoot you down in your gayyyyyyyy 38.You all try the same weak arse moves and they never work.

This seems like the only statement in the whole thread where someone acted like they were special.

Bronk · « **Reply #44 on:** June 01, 2006, 09:19:09 PM »

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I,m not the one on here crying about anything.

You guys really think your that special don't you?

You should all form a squad called:Hitech's Nuttsack Riders

Pretty good call on my part last nite seeing as i was the axis CO,you guys are so predictable,and the majority of the people that were axis were under 18.

Quote the whole thing tardling. Out of context means nothing.
You basically called me a noob be cause is said f3 was disabled.
Well Mr Knowitall it was suppose to be on . What now .
All I was doing was stating what happened to the buff flights and why fighters got scattered. Note I wasn't calling your tactics questionable or any attacks on you . But if ya want to start go ahead. The people on the bbs know your attitude anyway.

Ohh and as far as tactics go great call climb to 30k and wait for the climbing allied. OMG I'd have never thought of that.

Now crawl back under your rock like a good worm.

Bronk