Please fix the rampant Ordinance Porking

[LePaul]

The ordinance porking at every front line base...and then some, is growing quite tiring.  One aircraft is commonly zipping along and eliminating ordinace from front line bases.  

And ordinance takes a vrery very long time to re-up.

Meanwhile, you cant bring a base down to 0% or 25% fuel.  That's artifically inflated and protected.

The strat model is off, it would be really cool to see some changes made here.

I'm not sure what the "fix" is to this, but I'll just say that its annoying to see the same suicide JABOs come in, strafe, rocket and auger.  Then repeat at the next base.  Then repeat.

These ammo bunkers need some hardening.

[watanna]

With no disrespect intended but how do you think the real battles of WW11 would have played out if the allies left the axis with all their resources intak.  My bigest complaint is this is not done enough..  AH 1 you could take a base down to 25% fuel.  This made for some very intersesting situations.

[101ABN]

I agree with LePaul... the ammo bunkers need a little more strength.. lets think about this for a second..... they are ammo "bunkers", not ammo sheds... i shouldnt be able to pop a few 20mm into it and kill it.. can you really knock out a bunker with a few rounds?  i think that it should require atleast a 250lb bomb "down the air shaft" to damage it..

[LePaul]

Well let's play devil's advocate...

Let's make fuel unhardened.  In short, make it so you can literally depirve a base of fuel.  0%.  

I mean that's accurate, right?  Fuel tanks were exposed targets.  In WW2, fuel tanks, refieneries, etc were all valid and soft targets (and sternly defended)

Then let's hear the outrage when one porker comes into countless fields and wipes out fuel tanks left and right.

But...the game has made it so that it can NOT go below 75%.  And that makes sense.

But ammo bunkers were bunkers.  Let's harden them up to that level.

Let me cast this in another light...if ammo bunkers were taken down by a horde of bomb totting bombers or JABOs...Ok, i see that working fine.  When when a solo 30mm cannon bird swoops in a few passes, suceeds, then augers....and then rinse & repeat for the next base....yea...that's gaming the game and showing how seriously soft our strat system is.

[Wolf14]

I think ord needs to stay as it is. Not having ord on your plane does not hinder combat effectiveness like having 25% fuel does. I would like to see fuel taken back down to 25%, but 50% would work and the fuel issue is for another topic.

I am also of the opinion that to do any kind of "effective" ord droppin you need to get a lil more altitude than you could get from a frontline base.

Granted I dont like having ords at my base porked either, but I dont feel I have to run and cry about it when there are other bases I can fly from and still be able to reload ord from the re-arm pad at a base that has porked ord. Of course thats providing I can live long enough to re-arm on a re-arm pad.

***Quick Edit***

Sorry LePaul I had re-read one of your previous comments and I do agree I think it is very fair to make the bunkers harder against single pass cannon fire, but I dont think it should be limited in a way to prevent a multiple pass of cannon fire to bring them down. Ord drops should always bring them down in my opinion.

[MachNix]

Taking the ordinance down only hurts the “base capture/win the war” types, which is okay.  Taking the fuel down could hurt the furballers, and that style of play must be protected at all cost.  That is why it is easier to use something like an LA7 to bust up a field’s strats than B-26s.  Plus, the furballer wouldn’t have to learn a different plane IF they were so inclined to do something like take the strats down.

If you are a “base capture/win the war” type, you are required and expected to protect your fragile ammo bunkers.  You have to be multi-dimensional; a jack-of-all-trades.  In other words, use Aces High to its fullest potential.  “Winning” is actually reserved for that other style of play.

[WMLute]

grab 2 or 3 others, run m3's or c47's to resupply the field.  15min later, poof, you got ord again.

[Krusty]

It actually takes longer to run supplies than it does to wait for them to pop back, or (gasp) move to another field.

[Chalenge]

Not if the horde you usually take fields with runs supplies instead.

[101ABN]

Everybody sees this differently... the origional post wasnt a crying post, it was a suggestion.  I agreed with it.  Some of you all say, move to another base.. well sometimes that doesnt always work, depending on what you are doing..for example.. im at a airbase.. the VH is down and the LTARs are coming over the hill.. then this LA comes zipping through the sky and guns the bunkers in under 30 seconds and then becomes a lawn dart... now if some of those dreaded bomber pilots zip overhead thats a different story... well the base will be very hard to defend.  just go to a different base i guess...
 this same thing applies to all the furballers out there.. if a bomber takes out all the FH on a base everybody is up in arms.. crying on 200 saying things like "thanks for ruining the fun" and "you bomber dweeb".. ha ha ha... well.... (gasp).. move to another base.. from another angle, you have all the treadheads in the game crying everytime a bomber hits the VHs.. Kill all bomber pilots or go to another base.. !! ha ha ha.. if i can remember correctly, all hangers were given a makeover (made stronger), then why cant the ord bunkers?

[Meatwad]

I liked it better when fuel could get porked down to 25%

[Chalenge]

Even if they toughen the bunkers there will be another airplane that can get the job done. What bothers me even more is the same guy can drop all the defensive guns on a cv or cruiser by strafing. I dont believe those armored guns should be ruined like that. A two hour rebuild time on bunkers may need to be examined.

[Clifra Jones]

I agree that the ord bunkers should be harder. Not extremely harder but harder than they are now.

And troops, one lone pilots should not be able to kill al troops at a base.

I also think that it is kinda gamey that you can reload you plane at a base with porked ord. That should be fixed.

Lastly something should be done about the pork and auger crowd. I don't have the solution but this is probably the lamest part of the game.  Maybe there should be some kind of penalty for this. How about a 20 perk penalty or a points penalty if you destroy a strat object and then crash X seconds later in an otherwise undamaged plane.

I also think that the bases should be more heavily defended. More ack spread out further around the bases  + more man-able ack.


BTW: I am in no way a win the war type. JMO is all.

[Superfly]

*moved thread.  This is not a bug.

[Retired]

Originally posted by LePaul
The ordinance porking at every front line base...and then some, is growing quite tiring.  One aircraft is commonly zipping along and eliminating ordinace from front line bases.  

It is called payback.  You dive bomb (you as in who ever does that, not you in person) our CVs, FHs, and furball bases and we kill the ord.  

How ya like it now?